Wow, thats cool. Who knows, perhaps my dad is some uber rich guy with a large aparment waiting for me on manhattan

no but really, i wouldnt abandon my dad that raised me for anyone.

i've been wondering about this myself.

...but i'm pretty sure i'm Cyrus King's dad. there, i said it.

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Originally posted by Q5echo i've been wondering about this myself. ...but i'm pretty sure i'm Cyrus King's dad. there, i said it.

I think this mostly applies to people below a certain income level...

It applies to all income levels, all ethnicities and socio-economic groups and races.

There is a very well-known and understood evolutionary principle here that many don't know about.

From the evolutionary point of view, it makes a lot of sense for a woman to bear one man's child but raise the child with another man. It gets her the best of both worlds: security/protection provided by the "nice, stable guy" and the superb genes from the "hot bad boy."

She gets the good DNA for her baby and the stability/financial income at the same time. If you read any book on evolutionary psychology, you'll see this phenomenon explained.

While this fact is 'shocking' to some - err - members of academia, it's common knowledge in many small towns where everyone knows what's going. In big communities it's not as obvious.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd It applies to all income levels, all ethnicities and socio-economic groups and races. [quote]There is a very well-known and understood evolutionary principle here that many don't know about.

If it's so well known, why don't many people know about it? Fuck me if I've ever heard stats like that, though I'd be curious to see the specific data/sample populations that were used in the good doc's studies. Call me a skeptic.

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From the evolutionary point of view, it makes a lot of sense for a woman to bear one man's child but raise the child with another man. It gets her the best of both worlds: security/protection provided by the "nice, stable guy" and the superb genes from the "hot bad boy."

Is it really that pervasive? I mean I know there is a high divorce rate in this country, but I never realized so many women were cheating so early. I'm going to have to lock my wife in the attic!

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She gets the good DNA for her baby and the stability/financial income at the same time. If you read any book on evolutionary psychology, you'll see this phenomenon explained.

Phew. Lucky for her I'm a 1-stop shop for all-of-your-Freudian-Id-fart needs and desires! I am curious about the book, who is the author? Is it a factual document or a theoretical explanation using corollary data as supporting evidence?

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While this fact is 'shocking' to some - err - members of academia, it's common knowledge in many small towns where everyone knows what's going. In big communities it's not as obvious.

So you're really saying that there is a lot of incestral inbreeding in small, isolated, likely rural or simply isolated as fuck like eskimos, so they have a very small pool of genes floating around for a lot of ice fisherman....

Or maybe Utah.

But up top you said:

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd It applies to all income levels, all ethnicities and socio-economic groups and races.

So is there a big exception to the rule here? Or is the exception The Rule?

Motherhood is a certainty, fatherhood is a possibility

I'd be pissed right off at my mother though if it were the case.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd It applies to all income levels, all ethnicities and socio-economic groups and races. There is a very well-known and understood evolutionary principle here that many don't know about. From the evolutionary point of view, it makes a lot of sense for a woman to bear one man's child but raise the child with another man. It gets her the best of both worlds: security/protection provided by the "nice, stable guy" and the superb genes from the "hot bad boy."

You do know this doesn't make sense, right?

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It doesn't make sense to people who don't understand evolution.

Read any book, this one for example:
"Introducing Evolutionary Psychology"

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=books&n=507846

You can be denial all you want, it doesn't make a bit of difference. Reality is what it is.

"...Both males and females use long-term and short-term mating strategies. For males, the short-term mating strategy involves having sex with a woman and then abandoning her to look after the baby.

But females also derive advantages from casual sex. An ancestral woman who was already in a long-term relationship might have had casual sex wiith other men and then passed the resulting children off as her partner's.

This "cuckold strategy" gets a woman the best of both worlds: A diverse mix of genes from her various lovers -- and the resources of her doting partner..."

BTW an American doctor unexpectedly discovered this in the 50's at a hospital in a well-to-do, influential neighborhood. He was so shocked by the results (remember, we're talking the 50s) that he filed them away forever (they were re-discovered recently).

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd It doesn't make sense to people who don't understand evolution.

I do understand evolution, but the reasonings you've been mentioning are extremely flawed, it's almost like religious science: you don't find something and get to a conclusion, you find something to get to a pre-conceived conclusion.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd You can be denial all you want, it doesn't make a bit of difference. Reality is what it is.

I'm not denying it, by the way, I just believe the causes are different. There are loads of psychological explanations for that, but not in an evolutionary sense. It's known, for example, that women tend to cheat if they don't feel secure in the relationship.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd "...Both males and females use long-term and short-term mating strategies. For males, the short-term mating strategy involves having sex with a woman and then abandoning her to look after the baby. But females also derive advantages from casual sex. An ancestral woman who was already in a long-term relationship might have had casual sex wiith other men and then passed the resulting children off as her partner's. This "cuckold strategy" gets a woman the best of both worlds: A diverse mix of genes from her various lovers -- and the resources of her doting partner..."

This cuckold strategy fails to cover a few points:

• The man who engages on extra-marital/casual sex doens't have any warranties on how safe the child would be.
  
• The woman who engages on extra-marital/casual sex has to cope with the risk of being rumbled and losing support for both the bastard and the legit children.
  
• The man who engages on extra-marital sex has the risk of being confronted with the legit spouse - in that case, neither of them wins regardless of the results.
  

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There's a big difference between reading scientific literature and talking out of your ass like you are doing.

But hey, you can believe whatever the heck you want to believe for all I care. Fine by me. All others can educate themselves by reading books and scientific studies that use the scientific method as opposed to random psychobabble and pseudo-examples from a Western civilization that is as young as a thousand years.

"Culture" has nothing to do with evolution because it appeared only at the very last moment.