If the track is beautiful and it has a snare roll, that's all that matters. It's like the supersaw, or anything else. It's -how- you use things, IMO. I've heard very elegant snare rolls, coming up from under pads with everything swirling around as the white noise filters... Substance > Style, my friend. I realize that a lot of snare rolls have traditionally been cheesy... but that doesn't mean squat.

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I agree, I wasnt really making an opinion on them, I was just noticing that in trance lately it seems like no one is doing this anymore..where as in the past it seemed like every single track had a snare roll. It was an observation I had made and I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this or if its just the style of trance I have been picking up more now.

I noticed the same thing...just a natural progression of the genre.

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Originally posted by Cast Away I noticed the same thing...just a natural progression of the genre.

I suppose this is a good thing, but makes it rather frustrating for me. As it takes me about a day to create a swoosh that doesn't sounds like 2 cats on acid, fighting. It's so much easier to slap in a snare-roll.

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Originally posted by jojimbo1 I suppose this is a good thing, but makes it rather frustrating for me. As it takes me about a day to create a swoosh that doesn't sounds like 2 cats on acid, fighting. It's so much easier to slap in a snare-roll.

So why go with the flow? Be ur own independant musician bud . The only reason the music progresses is because people take a hard line stance on a particular style they have formulated over years of expirience. Be a progressor, not a follower .

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Also, you're going to get faster production-wise with time, once you learn what works and what doesn't...

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Originally posted by IDarkISwordI So why go with the flow? Be ur own independant musician bud . The only reason the music progresses is because people take a hard line stance on a particular style they have formulated over years of expirience. Be a progressor, not a follower .

I agree with you completely. However I have a hard time finishing tracks. It's so easy to get caught up tweaking 1-2 bars . I'm experimenting with a workflow at the moment, where I layout the entire track using 'easy' shortcuts like snarerolls, and then come back and make lots of changes and try out new things.

It's seems to be helping break the deadlock. Creative buildups/swooshes are still a big weakiness though, but hopefully practice will help.

nothing wrong with a snareroll when used properly

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Snarerolls are pretty damn old, ever since New Order's Bizzare Love Triangle they've been a standard element in pretty much all electronic dance music. But luckily they went out of style in early 2000's. These days if you hear a snare roll it will have a filter sweep slapped on it to change the sound completely. Another trick to do with a snare roll is to introduce some rests into the 16th notes. or.... reverse the roll, add tons of reverb, then reverse it back for that sucking in sound.

Face it, standard snare rolls are trite.

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Originally posted by jojimbo1 It's so easy to get caught up tweaking 1-2 bars .

Hey. Dont confuse this with being a bad thing. Detail is the best thing for any track. The more detail, the more fun it is to listen to. Thats why my all time favorite composers lsit is topped with Pink Floyd and BT and the likes. Spend the time, do get caught up with the track making it just so perfect. Theres nothign wrong with being a perfectionist as long as your idea of perfection is the sound of human nature (ever so slightly off). Just remember that you can never pay too much attention to a particular section of muisc, no matter the length of the section.

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Zac

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snare roll + cool weird effects = uber builup!