Don't exectly see "Hitler" anywhere. This is an old habbit from centuries ago, I guess tied in with the violence in the colonial and early-American periods, this kind of punishment was appropriate.

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I don't see what the issue is. If you take someone's life, or multiple lives for that matter, why should you still have a right to live?

The only bad thing about the death penalty is that if you find out the guy was innocent later you can't bring him back to life.

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Originally posted by NeoPhono I don't see what the issue is. If you take someone's life, or multiple lives for that matter, why should you still have a right to live?

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Originally posted by Arbiter The only bad thing about the death penalty is that if you find out the guy was innocent later you can't bring him back to life.

I agree with both of those, hence the dilemma.

EDIT: @ Arbiter: Who's that dude in your avatar?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z EDIT: @ Arbiter: Who's that dude in your avatar?

That's Naoya Ogawa, japanese olympic judoka, mixed-martial arts phenomenon, and puroresu extraordinaire.

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Originally posted by Arbiter That's Naoya Ogawa, japanese olympic judoka, mixed-martial arts phenomenon, and puroresu extraordinaire.

That's very interesting. I used to do Wu-shu and then moved on to real martial arts (like other forms of Kung-Fu, mostly southern styles, and a little bit of Wing-chun). From what you said it sounds like a grappling art. Do you know of any link to videos or demonstration that I could check out? Do you practice any martial arts form by any chance?

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What i find most interesting is that there are people who are for the death penalty and against abortion

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I'm against Capital Punishment... but it's not Hitler-esque at all.

The arguments for both sides are both stable, but I think it goes down to morals, and I just don't like the idea of killing people as a punishment.

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For fucks sake don't bring Hitler into any argument unless it's directly applicable or is a relevant analogy.


As for this argument, I'm-pro capital punishment but the death penalty system in the US is simply absurd, rediculous, and horribly flawed. Ever since the moratorium on the death penalty ended in the 70's some 1000 people have been executed. In that same time period, 122 people on death row have been vindicated of the crimes they have been convicted of through DNA and other advanced evidence and have been released. How can these be acceptable odds for capital punishment when both the inherent societal concept of morality and the bible (teehee yes the bible ) are against murder?

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Well, I've stated my agruement before, but I'm for the death penalty and against abortion. For me it's all about choice (as ironic as that sounds).

You have the choice to take someone's life. If you willingly decide to remove another's right to life, then you forfeit your own.

However, the fetus ("baby", "it", whatever) doesn't get that ability to make a choice one way or the other, but I am compelled to believe that given the choice, no one would "choose" to be aborted. You can argue all day about what makes a "human," but the fetus is a living thing and at least has the potential to be human regardless of your definition. That potential to be human coupled with its status as a living thing merits its right to life.

If you could somehow use a time machine to go ahead 18 years and ask the fetus if it would mind if it were aborted 18 years prior and it said "yes," then pull the plug. However, I find it hard to believe even a small percentage of those asked would ever say "yes."

That being said, I have no problem with abortion when the mother's life is in danger.

Also, I believe that the death penalty should only be used in the worst of crimes and when there is uncontestable, compelling evidence.

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although I am pro-abortion ("pro-choice" in PC talk) there is no moral irrelevancy in being pro-death penalty and anti-abortion ("pro-life).

Neophone has explained that reasoning above, but a quick summary is:
One is murder the other is murdering the murderer.

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