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[i][b] Another question i have is about learning to use the program fruity loops. I know a little bit but not enough about the program to start giving people advice or doing anything real serious. Would i learn easier messing around my self or reading the tutorial and help menu's.

both, definitely. if you're actually serious about producing trance i'd advise you to shy away from FL, but if your really that determined , definitely read the Getting Started guide and mess around.

Make reading the Getting Started guide a priority, for sure. I skimmed it and got the basic idea but didn't find out how to use mixer FX until 2 months after I started :D

just keep messing around and you'll get it. download the demo and see if you like it, and experiment with other program demos like Reason, Project5, Cubase, etc.

Good luck :)

shy away from FL? what kind of advice is that?

music production is the only industry where so many people place a higher prescedent on the tools you use over the ability of the artist.

i almost miss graphic design because nobody will tell you that you dont have a chance if you dont use sable brushes or wacom graphics tablets.

for the last time, its not what you use, its how you use it and bad worksmen are always inclined to blame their tools.

^ If you used cakewalk i guess you have some veiw on how music is created. But i would stick with FruityLoops because it is easy to learn. I had no idea how music was created, Donwloaded the Fl trial, and about after a month i knew the basics and i was pumping out songs but there where not good at all. It takes a while to hear results.

But dont just stick with Fl and download some other programs and see what you like. To me, music making is the only thing i look forward to after school, it changed me life

the real problem with FL, is the CPU eating, in cubase some synths are half cpu what they are in FL, personally i hate FL i hate the kiddy plastic design and the playlist YUCK LOL

I recomend Sonar, maybe Sonar 4 see if you can get it cheap on ebay, watch out for pirated copys though

CPU load is never a problem if you bounce everything. Just one of those things that you live with and work around.

Now that i bounce practically everything i cant see how anyone can work exclusively in realtime. I mean, i can put enough processing on a single instrument that would cripple most PCs several times over.

i can afford to put multiple convolution reverbs on any instrument and use high quality mode on voxengo crunchessor for every instrument that uses it. wahoo! if i run out of CPU. bouncy bouncy.

you can get free stuff, the dyne:bolic cd (google it) is a really nice place to get started if you dont have any money to spend.

If you have a bunch of computers on a network they can cluster and process together for you just by booting them all with the dyne:bolic cd. It is quite a slick little cd designed to enable ppl in third world contries who dont have powerful computers to be able to create stuff, there is even one that runs on the xbox.

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Originally posted by Derivative shy away from FL? what kind of advice is that? music production is the only industry where so many people place a higher prescedent on the tools you use over the ability of the artist. i almost miss graphic design because nobody will tell you that you dont have a chance if you dont use sable brushes or wacom graphics tablets. for the last time, its not what you use, its how you use it and bad worksmen are always inclined to blame their tools.

most fucking stupid post I've seen in a while.

Unless you want to spend a considerable amount of time and money on drum samples and software synths, you should probably start with Reason, so you have everything you need. Believe me, after a year of having FL with no commercial synths/effects, trying to make anything resembling professional quality is fucking hard.

Just say no to FL.

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Originally posted by DJ Initial most fucking stupid post I've seen in a while.

Oh the irony...

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Originally posted by DJ Initial most fucking stupid post I've seen in a while. Unless you want to spend a considerable amount of time and money on drum samples and software synths, you should probably start with Reason, so you have everything you need. Believe me, after a year of having FL with no commercial synths/effects, trying to make anything resembling professional quality is fucking hard. Just say no to FL.

Hey. Nice opinion. I'm thinking you didnt spend a lot of time with it however. The percussion samples kinda suck but thats why you make them sound good. Rather than taking the lazy way out of it and just looking for already processed samples, which by the way, give you no uniqueness, you claim it to be the problem of the sequencer. It took me a while to get good percussion in FLS, but I'm glad that I have the experience so that I can take just about any kick sample and make it a nice, trancey pumping kick. Whatever, dont use FLS, but Reason isnt exactly the holy grail either buddy.

Cheers,
Zac

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I'm definitely going to have to agree with DarkSword on this one. Do remember though...not only will he have to learn how the program works, but also proper eqing and compression if he wants to have some nice samples from the default FL ones.

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Originally posted by IDarkISwordI Hey. Nice opinion. I'm thinking you didnt spend a lot of time with it however. The percussion samples kinda suck but thats why you make them sound good. Rather than taking the lazy way out of it and just looking for already processed samples, which by the way, give you no uniqueness, you claim it to be the problem of the sequencer. It took me a while to get good percussion in FLS, but I'm glad that I have the experience so that I can take just about any kick sample and make it a nice, trancey pumping kick. Whatever, dont use FLS, but Reason isnt exactly the holy grail either buddy. Cheers, Zac

And for some reason you assume I don't know how to make good percussion in FL? I can, but hearing VT_Ohihat2 and DNC_Clap3 over and over again, even with creative layering and FX gets fucking old, really fast, which is why I'm buying VEC Vol. 1 in the near future.

Percussion isn't the main problem in FL, though. 3xOsc and TS404 can't produce any really fat leads or synths. The only exception to that that I've seen was one guy on here who did the 303 synth from Flaming June on 3xOsc, but that was an exception.

I'm not discounting that FL is a good bang-for your buck sequencer, especially the drum sequencer, but the onboard samples, synths, and effects are just overall weak. FL is like the newbie on a sports team with incredible potential but no tangible skill.

No offense to you, Darksword, but I wasn't really impressed with the Allfruit demo. Not discounting your skill, just you chose the weaker synths in FL to make a point. The only synth in FL remotely worthwhile is Sytrus, and other synths do a better job of FM modeling, anyway.

Just my opinion. Nothing more.