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swilly
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Lest we forget and vote conservative: re joining in Iraq war

Conservative Canadians Speak Out!
Wall Street Journal | 3/28/03 | Stephen Harper, Stockwell Day

Canadians Stand With You

By STEPHEN HARPER and STOCKWELL DAY

Today, the world is at war. A coalition of countries under the leadership of the U.K. and the U.S. is leading a military intervention to disarm Saddam Hussein. Yet Prime Minister Jean Chretien has left Canada outside this multilateral coalition of nations.

This is a serious mistake. For the first time in history, the Canadian government has not stood beside its key British and American allies in their time of need. The Canadian Alliance -- the official opposition in parliament -- supports the American and British position because we share their concerns, their worries about the future if Iraq is left unattended to, and their fundamental vision of civilization and human values. Disarming Iraq is necessary for the long-term security of the world, and for the collective interests of our key historic allies and therefore manifestly in the national interest of Canada. Make no mistake, as our allies work to end the reign of Saddam and the brutality and aggression that are the foundations of his regime, Canada's largest opposition party, the Canadian Alliance will not be neutral. In our hearts and minds, we will be with our allies and friends. And Canadians will be overwhelmingly with us.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/879589/posts

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swilly
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just remember that although we lost some 200 million over the sponsership scandel it is still probably cost us a hell of alot less then going to war in Iraq not to mention that at least we are not out there killing innocent civilians.

Swilly san

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i seriously dont think anyone would be stupid enough to vote conservative

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i seriously dont think anyone would be stupid enough to vote conservative



Well they're in the lead nationally...

Old Post Jan-16-2006 14:15  Canada
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I think this thread is misleading and exemplifies a severe lack of understanding regarding the conservative party. Yes, this was the position of the party 2 years ago, however, it is not so currently. The position taken seems to rely on the assumption that the conservatives are a grass roots party that will do what their core supporters want regardless of the broader public opinion. This was true of the Reform party, however, the conservatives have graduated from being a grassroots party to being a brokerage party much like the Liberals. You can rest assured that the advisors in the conservative party recognize that the Canadian people want no truck or trade regarding the war in Iraq. Joining the occupation would certainly hurt them amongst the electorate and more importantly would signal to the red tories that the new party cannot be trusted and has not been moderated from their former more right wing incarnation. There is little to no reason one should fear that a Conservative victory would result in our military being deployed to Iraq.


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Well they're in the lead nationally...
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By quite a large margin apparently.
I dunno, IMO I don't think they'll bring anything good to the average Canadian.

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Stockwell Day should've had the leadership.


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That was the one thing i respected chretien for, standing up to the americans about iraq. it wasnt our war, and we did not need to fight it. and i think in retrospect, most will agree it was the right decision.

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Well, talk about political ignorance.

Already gone over a few times that it would be a political suicide for Harper to get Canada actively involved in Iraq.

Canadian military is committed to Afghanistan for at least next few years anyways (2000 members starting this month) so it's not like Canada can come up with any troops to send.


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It's the thought that counts. What if we did have the troops?

I don't want to vote for a party that makes value judgments based on what the voting population thinks. I want a government with critical thinking skills. I want them to bite the fucking bullet and go against ALL of Canada when it truly makes sense to do so. This goes for the liberals and the NDP. And that's why, I can't vote for anyone this election.


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It's the thought that counts. What if we did have the troops?

I don't want to vote for a party that makes value judgments based on what the voting population thinks. I want a government with critical thinking skills. I want them to bite the fucking bullet and go against ALL of Canada when it truly makes sense to do so. This goes for the liberals and the NDP. And that's why, I can't vote for anyone this election.


I can understand your sentiment, however, only brokerage parties have any hope to form government (or even win the requisit number of seats to acheive official party status in parliament... with the exception of the Reform party). This country is far too fractured in it's ideological bases, interests, and values for a grassroots party to acheive wide spread support.


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lol, i love it when moral feels the need to lay the smack down

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i seriously dont think anyone would be stupid enough to vote conservative


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