do you think it's wrong to mix with already-mixed cd's?? for example, you can't find some tracks on a lot compilations that many dj's have put out there. but you could always throw them in your cdj and still mix with them successfully.. i've heard some hearsay that tiesto's done this before...

so is this wrong or illegal in your opinion?


if you don't know what i mean, here's an example: let's say I bought digweed's... bedrock for example. I don't own pob & taylor - ba ba, but i could use disc 1 as a method of being able to play out that track. and i did buy the cd... sooo.....

Well first off, I highly doubt Tiesto would do such a thing, unless he ran into a shortage of music and originality for that evening =o/

More importantly, it would be rather difficult to make a smooth transition into your set from an already mixed-in track that's on a compilation, since chances are the intro/outro beats you need to make a clean mix will have already been mixed.

If you REALLY wanted to do it, you'd have to loop part of the song (say... 32 or 64 counts of what's left of the intro) and bring it in that way, and try to mix out of it as fast as you can before the next track that's part of the compilation starts mixing in.

Illegal? I wouldn't think so. Wrong? That's subjective. What it comes down to is pulling off a clean mix. It may be possible, but not recommended.

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if you were to blatantly mime so it looked like you were mixing it would be disrespectful to the original dj, you and most important... the crowd. i would be quite put off a dj if i heared him/her pretending to mix. if you use a track from within a mix cd i think its fine. it just sound unpro if the next rack comes in while your next track is coming in... also if it is an older cd mixed on non pc equipment then usually there are quite big pitch fluctuations from where the dj has notched up the pitch ya few % every now and again. ableton etc mixed cds seem to stay the same bpm all the way through.

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Originally posted by richg101 if you were to blatantly mime so it looked like you were mixing it would be disrespectful to the original dj, you and most important... the crowd.

i didn't mean that..

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Originally posted by richg101 if you use a track from within a mix cd i think its fine.

there we go.

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if you can get away with it sounding smooth, i say why not? a lot of older prog house tunes have long-ass mixes, and even if you can hear the next track come in, a few tweaks of the eq knobs will make it less-than-audible to the average person. or you could just mix the track out quickly, say within 32 beats or so.. OORRR, if the next track is in the same key, you could mash up the two... gotta get creative right?

yes definately. i try and veer away from premixed cd's but whenever i buy one there is always atleast one track iwanna play out from it.

i say use them if you have to..

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Originally posted by richg101 if you have to..

yes... if you have to... =)

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Tiesto is said to have done that.

But not to fake the mix, just to be able to play the tune. Alegedly it was one of the tracks on the first Tiesto DVD, actually not sure which.

Either way, he did it to be able to play the tune and mixed out of it before it ended.

The only negative feature with this is that you don't actually get any intros or outros but if you can work with that then I don't see why not. As long as you are not passing your self off as mixing when you are not.
Which by the way has been done by other DJs on occassions.

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I've only done this with one track, and it was tiesto - olympic flame. The version he usually would play on his sets. Eventually I got the whole version from his "best and new 2005" cd.

But if you are going to do it I'd suggest ripping the track in a wave editor and then just burn it unmixed on a cd.

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Originally posted by Backzlash Eventually I got the whole version from his "best and new 2005" cd.

Lol, wasn't that some bootleg release?

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I think it's OK to use mix CDs as part of your tracks source if you bought the CD from commercial channels since in that case the music is authorized and the original artists are getting paid. But don't just grab tracks from some DJ's demo mix CD because he's not authorized to distribute the original artist's music and he's not paying them.

I chop up the commercial mix CDs into separate tracks so none of the original mixing is there, usually they have a long enough intro/extro for using in your own mixes.

I have lots of store-bought CD singles, these are great but can be hard to find and expensive ($8 to $15 US for a Maxi CD single with 4 or 5 mixes). Some labels put out compilation CDs which are unmixed so they're a great source.

Some of the tracks on a mix CD can have varying BPM which makes it hard to use them. This can be because the original DJ was making speed adjustments. Lots of mix CDs from the bigger labels are probably done with a computer though, and they appear to have pre-adjusted many of the tracks so they have the same BPM. I'd say about 10% to 20% of the tracks on a commercial mix CD will have unstable BPM which makes them almost unuseable in your own mix. But that leaves most of the tracks with a stable BPM.

If the mix is a live mix from a smaller DJ and there wasn't much computer work, possibly ALL the tracks could have drifting BPM.

like pvd autumn


though the full track is being shared now...