was created in 1981 by the germans in a production by kraftwerk called numbers


does anyone disagree if so why? and if not, are there earlier songs with breakbeats like this, and sequence patterns like this that are the foundations of electro?

ya or new order's blue monday in 1983...???...i bet there's a bunch of disco shit from the 70s that's amazing

you need to arrive to an agreement about what constitutes an 'electro' track with whoever you are discussing prior to claiming a particular track is the first one to meet the defintion.

in other words, this discussion will be useless until you provide the definition you're working with.

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Originally posted by LieberDJ was created in 1981 by the germans in a production by kraftwerk called numbers does anyone disagree if so why? and if not, are there earlier songs with breakbeats like this, and sequence patterns like this that are the foundations of electro?

I disagree to an extent, but I could not hold up an arguement to prove my point.

I would agree if you said it was the one of the first, or maybe the first notable major elctro production.

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Originally posted by LieberDJ was created in 1981 by the germans in a production by kraftwerk called numbers does anyone disagree if so why? and if not, are there earlier songs with breakbeats like this, and sequence patterns like this that are the foundations of electro?

Let's not forget 'Trans-Europe Express' (1978) by the same artist.

structure. Breakbeat rimshots instruments

if you look at numbers you can see that arthur baker (in planet rock) used the exact same patterns for kick, clap rimshot. The fact that trans europe express is sampled as well says alot for the credit that should be given in the genre definition.

Have any artists (besides baker) used the instrumentation that was used in planet rock? (synth hits, cowbells etc). Also does anyone know what kind of sampler or drum machine baker used.


Im saying baker because i think it is widley accepted that he is known as being responsible for creating electro

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Originally posted by ivanbee ya or new order's blue monday in 1983...???...i bet there's a bunch of disco shit from the 70s that's amazing

yes 1983 is too new

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Originally posted by beats and beeps I disagree to an extent, but I could not hold up an arguement to prove my point. I would agree if you said it was the one of the first, or maybe the first notable major elctro production.

please do give more insight, i am here with open ears

Oh man.. this thread is going nowhere fast.

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I would say that while Numbers isn't technically the first electro track.......it would be the main ingredient in electro.

At what point do eggs become a cake mix? ....when you put it in a mixing bowl with other stuff.

Numbers is the prime ingredient in electro. Not actually Numbers itself, but just that breakbeat, which is in literally 80% of electro and 50% of freestyle, and of that number, almost all of them sample the break from Planet Rock, though a few use the original Numbers, and some reconstitute it piecemeal by themselves (though they don't have to). It's a simple 2-bar break that sounds something like this:

Boom-cha boom cha
boom-cha boom boom-cha-ka-boom

That's it. Probably the most addictive and widely used break of all time, next to maybe the Amen. Beats out everything I've ever listened to in terms of sampling, ripping off, copying, plagiarizing, and flat out emulating. The Numbers break.

Did it exist before Numbers, though? That's the big question. I can't find any evidence of it. If it did, it's likely Kraftwerk didn't know about it and created the break themselves independently, and it's a moot issue anyway since the electro artists were all looking to Numbers as their inspiration, not this earlier track which may or may not exist that they very likely did not know about.

Electro artists loved Kraftwerk. Numbers was their favourite track. The drum machine they used was the Roland TR-808.

Last edited by Ishkur on Jan-15-2006 at 10:23

I'd just like to say that Numbers is a fucking excellant track, probably my fav from the Kraftwerk gang, and it still tears up any club (see Paul Woolford's Essential Mix from Space Terrace last year).

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It's probably worth mentioning that the brilliant Number of Names - ShareVari also came out in 1981, aswell as the first Cybotron record, 'Alleys of the mind' (a few weeks later than ShareVari). I'm not sure where Numbers/Computer Love fits into this timeline but 1981 definitely seems to be the year.

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