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Jan-26-2006 17:42
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DJ Kenosis
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While this is alarming, this is hardly new, and English-speaking nations that just happen to be in Iraq with us have not always been the only western nations to embrace erroneous ideas about biology.
Well through the Stalinist regime, evolutionary theory largely remained out of favor (something else, i forget what was preferred) and this generally set back evolutionary biology and zoology research in the Soviet Union, way back compared to the rest of continental Europe and the United States. There were, however, some dissenters and one of them (Dobzhansky) was one of the greatest evolutionary biologists of the 20th century.
France also had its silly ideas throughout most of the early to middle part of the 20th century, where Lamarckianism somehow held sway even in academic circles. This had some unfortunate consequences one of them being that the otherwise great geologist, Teilhard de Chardin, had much of his early work colored with the 'language' of Lamarckianism (though, it definitely was not that in substance), something his detractors used to discredit him.
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Jan-26-2006 19:43
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DJ Kenosis
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I wonder what these percentages are in Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan?
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Jan-26-2006 19:51
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DJ Kenosis
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| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
If anything, the world has gotten MORE religious with time -- I know that's true for the US, anyway.
My opinion is that more people who were raised in the 50s, 60s and 70s in America would be more secular and supportive of the evolution theory than those raised in the 80s and 90s, because there was a serious turn to the right in the last 3 decades.
I'm about to start a new thread that pertains to this, not about evolution but a more general one, about world trends. |
Secular-minded people (or at least those who aren't dogmatic about religion) need to reproduce more in general.
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Jan-26-2006 21:15
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13% say they don't know???
To be honest no-one KNOWS, people just like to have an opinion. Science certaily has more evidence going for it, whereas the bilble says a guy who was hung on a cross for 3 days came back to life... did he ever really die? Maybe he just passed out from the stress and then came too later...
The thing with intelligent design is that the design is to create a wedge between science and religion and push a new agenda. The concept was put together by 5 people (have to google the history for details). it is a floored concept and should not even be considered at all.
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Jan-27-2006 01:42
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DaveSZ
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Location: ATX
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| quote: | Originally posted by HardTranceProd
If anything, the world has gotten MORE religious with time -- I know that's true for the US, anyway.
My opinion is that more people who were raised in the 50s, 60s and 70s in America would be more secular and supportive of the evolution theory than those raised in the 80s and 90s, because there was a serious turn to the right in the last 3 decades.
I'm about to start a new thread that pertains to this, not about evolution but a more general one, about world trends. |
I think it has more to do with a lack of respect for people with differing beliefs on the part of Christians in general (but especially fundamentalist and evangelical christians).
The thinking in the US at least since Jefferson used to be, "We're a country of diverse beliefs and we need separation of church and state to protect our ideals."
Now the thinking is, "If you don't believe in Jesus I'll pass laws to make sure you live under the passages of the Bible we choose to give weight to regardless of how you feel about that ."
A bumper sticker I saw in West Texas sums up the current attitude:
"Jesus or Hell."
To clarify where I come from, I would consider myself a spiritual person, but not a religious person. I am a reformed Catholic in the sense that I saw through the bullshit of the Vatican from a very young age, and am proud of that.
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Jan-27-2006 04:20
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| quote: | Originally posted by DaveSZ
To clarify where I come from, I would consider myself a spiritual person, but not a religious person. I am a reformed Catholic in the sense that I saw through the bullshit of the Vatican from a very young age, and am proud of that. |
I am very much the same in the sense that I was baptised as a baby, so I had no say in it, and am therefore "catholic", but i do not believe in God, I do believe in spirit tho.
There are far too many religions for one to be right, and the rest incorrect. it goes back to time before contact between different groups when they all held belief in spiritual times (eg aboriginees in Oz had the "dreamtime" where serpants created the rivers, etc), and only in the modern world is there a terminology(God, Buddha, Ganeesha) for what it is about.
i am more of the 'univesal energy' belief.
yesterday was Australia Day (the birthday of Colonisation by English settlers) and there is usually ceremonies for people to become citizens, and the one I saw yesterday made me think... You must pledge under God to become a citizen. I really don't agree with that for 2 reasons.
1 i don't believe in God.
2 It really is exclusionist to people of other religions.
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