yeah its too pricey right now...with 2 grand..i rather go buy a Virus TI "D

also logic wont run natively on the new intels untill the end of feb I think.

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I don't see why people would want to spend all that extra money to just run OSX and Mac software. You could get an Intel PC notebook much cheaper that would offer the same performance.

maybe i haven't looked around enough but i have yet to see any other laptops even close to the size,shape,look, or with intergrated web cam, integrated remote, wide screen, with a good battery life in real world applications.

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I've never been a fan of intel but the laptops shure looks sweet anyway
I think apple made the right decision in the end, I'm guessing it's the dual core they were after from the beginning

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Originally posted by Since Forever also logic wont run natively on the new intels untill the end of feb I think.

The upgrade is priced already on their site but I don't know if it is ready to go.
Be pissed if you just paid for the upgrade to 7 and now have to upgrade coz you buy a new computer. That's just crap, especially seeing that when the v7 was going to market Apple would have been preparing the change over.
just more profits i guess.

Don't Intel have a big issue with their dual cores? Or have they fixed this now?

For the same reason people go out and buy a BMW when they could instead buy a Ford Taurus for a lot less.

Apple laptops are built REALLY well, and have lots of great features. And combined with Mac OS X, everything "just works" and they are very slick to use.

Once you've owned a Mac and used it for a while, when you go back to using a Windows machine you'll notice all the little annoyances and quirks that aren't there with OS X.

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Originally posted by wood0292 I don't see why people would want to spend all that extra money to just run OSX and Mac software. You could get an Intel PC notebook much cheaper that would offer the same performance.

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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 Don't Intel have a big issue with their dual cores? Or have they fixed this now?

It is only an issue if you are running a server and it is a security issue. As far as I know it is still an issue, but I have not checked up on it. The only reason I even researched it a while back is because they disabled hyperthreading in all our PCs at work because of it. Some guy wrote some code that exploited this to prove it, but I think it is farfetched that anyone could actually take advantage of the hole to steal someone's data.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 For the same reason people go out and buy a BMW when they could instead buy a Ford Taurus for a lot less.

Two completely different cars. If you want to use this example you would have to compare two cars with the same engine, yet one priced a bit more with some slightly different features.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Apple laptops are built REALLY well, and have lots of great features. And combined with Mac OS X, everything "just works" and they are very slick to use. Once you've owned a Mac and used it for a while, when you go back to using a Windows machine you'll notice all the little annoyances and quirks that aren't there with OS X.

This was my point. People are paying more for the operating system. Apple may build laptops really well, but I am sure one of the many companies who build Intel PC notebooks can do just as well. You really are paying more for the OS and the built in webcam.

I am not trying to bash on Macs or defend Windows at all. If I were to get a Mac notebook I would probably stick with a Power PC for a while.

Even if a Ford Taurus and a BMW used the same engine, everything else about the BMW is better. The processor doesn't make the computer, and frankly performance is really only a small factor in choosing a computer. Many people place too much weight on it, even though they will likely use about 5% of it's power.

Apple makes their money from selling hardware. And their hardware is very good. Just pickup a PowerBook/MacBook and compare it with a PC laptop (Dell, Thinkpad, etc.) and you can immediately see the attention to detail and the fit and finish.

Combine that with the OS X, which has been thoroughly tested on that exact laptop configuration so that everything works perfectly, and you have a whole package that is worth a premium price. I do agree that their premium prices are a bit steep, but not everyone needs the best laptop they make.

I bought a Mac Mini for $500, and even though it's not the fastest computer by far, it does everything I want without requiring me to fuss with it. It just sits there, taking up little space, making no noise, and is always in standby waiting for me to use it.

I write code all day for a living, and when I use my computer at home I just want to get things done, not mess around with installing Windows XP updates, virus SW updates, drivers, etc.

If Apple were to sell OS X for regular PC's, it would end up being just as terrible as Windows XP. The complexity of supporting all the various hardware configurations in PC land is just a disaster.

As for the original question... it'll be a while before the major production applications are available as a universal binary. And even when they are, it's uncertain whether the software companies will make the universal versions available to customers for no charge. And if you don't happen to own the latest version of the software, it's unlikely they'll just give you a brand new copy of the latest version for free... nor will they backport prior versions to universal binary.

This is just a first step...

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Originally posted by wood0292 Two completely different cars. If you want to use this example you would have to compare two cars with the same engine, yet one priced a bit more with some slightly different features. This was my point. People are paying more for the operating system. Apple may build laptops really well, but I am sure one of the many companies who build Intel PC notebooks can do just as well. You really are paying more for the OS and the built in webcam. I am not trying to bash on Macs or defend Windows at all. If I were to get a Mac notebook I would probably stick with a Power PC for a while.