OK...after all that religious talk we all did in that other post...i ended up talking with some friend son the subject and got mixed answers from them....

then one of my friends started talking about the Death penalty and stuff....so we had this extremely long conversation about it...

NOW

Personally i AGREE with the death penalty.....and before we start
I KNOW that there are many people on death row who are innocent...
BUT THATS NOT WHAT THIS POST IS ABOUT....SO LETS NOT TALK ABOUT THE FACT THAT U MAY BE KILLING AND INNOCENT PERSON because this discussion is supposed to be about people WHO ARE GUILTY and its been prooven beyond ANY possible doubt...OK

ok now that we got that straight....i was thinking about it (the death penalty)....and personally i think the way inwhich we kill someone with it are quite painless in MODERN ways...meaning that MOST people when put to death are done so with lethal injection in AMerica....and the first shot they give you is a sedative then you go to sleep then you get the lethal drugs...thats crazy...

but anyway i am not going to start and say we should throw people off buildings or cut them up with a chainsaw (even though many people who are criminals DESERVE it)....i am instead going to talk about an alternative to killing these people...and bare in mind i am an advocate for the death penalty...

My alternative for the death penalty is this...

We take the people who are GUILTY beyond any possible doubt (and please dont start saying "well how do you know for a fact" and all that crap...once again this is for people who have been sentenced to death and are no questions asked GUILTY)...
ok
so we take those criminals and we run EXPERIMENTS on them...for instance...we take a man who has raped a 12 yeard old then killed 4 people in a store because hes a fucking nut case and we put him in a secured hospital ward and inject him with CANCER cells or the AIDS virus or Lymphoma or Diabetes..or any other life threatening dabilitating disease...then we run tests and try new drugs to find the side effects...we try new treatments in a quest to find a cure for these diseases...

In todays day and age we have so many terrible diseases that are so sad to even get into....so why not take these people who have prooven that they can not act civilized in our society by killing/raping or torturing other people and try and find cures through them...it would be a whole lot more beneficial to run experiments on them then it is on a pig or a monkey or a lab rat...they are human beings so we would see the results and how they result....

Some people will say well that makes us no better then the criminals...but if we are going to put them to death ANYWAY why not perform these test and drugs on them...either or they will be killed atleast this way they can live longer and try and repent for their sins to God and make it right by helping another or maybe even an entire population of people....

Just imagine the possiblities....we could try anything on them...EVERy single disease known to man...i am not saying test shampoo on them or nail polish (even though i wouldnt care).

heres a little HUMOUR for ya...
OK NOW if a certain criminal who was sent to death row decides to part take in this way and doctors and scientists HAPPEN to find a cure for something through that criminals body...then that criminal gets to go free....WHAT AN INCENTIVE...LOL

I know people are going to arguen the death peanlty here and all that..but thats not what this is about...the detah penalty ehre in America is legal in MANY states...so i am saying this new method would be taken place in those states where it is legal for the death penalty...

i dunno jus my little idea.....i know if i was a criminal and i did all sorts of terrible havoc on the world and to so many innocente people that i would want to give back and give my body for experimentation....that is of course if i was sorry for my crimes and etcc......

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well, it is illegal under the nuremburg codes to use a person for med. experimentation without their consent...i gtg now, ill elaborate at a different time. anyway, i DISAGREE with the death penalty...bbl!

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Just my topic, i did a whole 15 pg research paper for OAC LAW. The death penalty needs to be in force because 1)psychopaths cannot be reabilitated 2)You need to protect society and for some very angry criminal death is the only way you can protect society and what about prison officials and people who work there, they need to be protected 3)Who the hell speaks for the victims, it is always all about the prisoners right but if they had not committed that act and what about the victims families and the ppl around it. They can't bring them back. Look here is my plan, clearcut guilty =death penalty unsure=life in prison. Example is Ted Bundy, he needed to be excuted for his crimes, ditto with timothy mcveigh. Now abu ma jamal (something like that) should have got life in prison if they were not sure, who wakes that call, i'm not sure. If you want a PRO death penalty site.......www.prodeathpenalty.com but please take a look in the links, they have links to neutral sites, anti and pro death penalty sites. I could keep on arguing about this but it seems that most sides are pro, anti or neutral and typing what i think will not sway them anyways. Always an interesting subject among everyone because everyone's view is so different.

to torontotrance.....
this isnt whether or notm u agree with the death penalty but whether u think practising medical experiments on them rather then just executing them would be beneficial to all the people suffering from ailments with no cures...i am interested in what u think

as well as what Renegade thinks,,,,wehn he gets here..

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

Well...I dont think medical experiments should be performed...but what about organ donation? Ppl need livers, kidneys, lungs, etc..why not remove say 1 kidney and 1 lung*you can live with just 1* and THEN kill them? Or take em all and just kill em that way*sedative, they go under, take all usefull organs, then give lethal shot* that way, some good comes from the death of these horrible people.

I wont agree with cures for diseases, cuz most diseases are naturally occuring things, and therefore I think should be left to run their natural course. Not all transplants should be approved either..Im kinda sadistic tho.

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Its my view that both the death penalty and medical expierments are wrong. Prison for life seams fair to me, but thats my view.

Jon

that's not really humane is it? Comes pretty close to torturing in my vision. Breaks a couple of conventions also.

So they are wrongdoers. Who are you (who is the state) to make them suffer for their acts...the state is not miss fortuna or God. In the worst cases, you can bring them to death, like you said, put them to sleap, that way you take away the threat to society, that's all you can do and justify it.

You get my point of view? Who decides they need to be punished. The psycho's you talk about don't feel remorse. This indicates they don't feel they did anything wrong. You won't even any scores with them in a fair way by inflicting serious pain on them.

to j_spot
...i respect your opinion...but if your going to take their organs why not just use their entire body...

you say dont search for a cure cause mose diseases are naturally occuring and should run their course....well then why even take the organs like you said...people need organs for diseases right...because their organs have failed in some way...

how can u honestly say let diseases run their course...have you ever seen someone dying of cancer or lymphoma...it is horrendous....a terrible and painful death....when you get a cold do not take cough medicine or an antibiotic or soemthing of the sort...more then likely you do...so then you are contridicting your own statement....i still cant beleive u said let most diseases run their course...thats wild.....maybe you should visit a hospice and look at all the people with "naturally occuring" diseases (whatever they are) and tell them they shouldnt take medication because they should let the disease run its course...thats absurd......

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Bring back 1994 NYC clubbing nights, cus the sh*t today is filled with junk parties and DJs that play sh*t House.....Zabiela, Sander, or Howells and all the rest suck and couldnt throw a night like it was in the early 90s in NYC!!!...Screw Twilo - give me Limelight circa 1993!!!

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Originally posted by tiesto14 so we take those criminals and we run EXPERIMENTS on them...for instance...we take a man who has raped a 12 yeard old then killed 4 people in a store because hes a fucking nut case and we put him in a secured hospital ward and inject him with CANCER cells or the AIDS virus or Lymphoma or Diabetes..or any other life threatening dabilitating disease...then we run tests and try new drugs to find the side effects...we try new treatments in a quest to find a cure for these diseases...

hmm.. this would fall under the eight amendment:
"freedom from cruel and unusual punnishment"

sorry bud

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Originally posted by tiesto14 to j_spot ...i respect your opinion...but if your going to take their organs why not just use their entire body... you say dont search for a cure cause mose diseases are naturally occuring and should run their course....well then why even take the organs like you said...people need organs for diseases right...because their organs have failed in some way... how can u honestly say let diseases run their course...have you ever seen someone dying of cancer or lymphoma...it is horrendous....a terrible and painful death....when you get a cold do not take cough medicine or an antibiotic or soemthing of the sort...more then likely you do...so then you are contridicting your own statement....i still cant beleive u said let most diseases run their course...thats wild.....maybe you should visit a hospice and look at all the people with "naturally occuring" diseases (whatever they are) and tell them they shouldnt take medication because they should let the disease run its course...thats absurd......

Yes I have seen people dying from cancer. Fact my uncle did. Oh and if it make any difference I have had cancer. When I was younger I had a cancerous mole removed from my hand. Lucky for me, it hadnt spread. Since then I have formed my opinions. If I was in that situation again, I would tell the doctor to leave it. Even thought it would probably mean certain illness, or maybe even death to me. I dont find this to me a stupid choice, I find it to be very altruistic, and those who choose to undergo treatment for diseases such as AIDS or Cancer, or Lymphoma, or WHATEVER are being Selfish. They are prolonging their own lives for their sake, and that of their family. I dont see much good to society in this. When I get a cold...I do nothing but get plenty of rest, stay away from junk, and take care of myself. I dont take drugs to help myself get better. If I take proper care of myself in the first place, I wouldnt be there, but occasionally I get run down..u know working 30 hours in 2 days only to party for the next 12 hours can do that to you..so I get sick, and I get better cuz I know how to deal withit without WILLINGLY filling myself with drugs that are only making viruses more antibiotic resistant.

Weve had this discussion before.^^^ I cant remembe what thread, but it might be the sticky one about Folding @ home up @ the top.

Why take organs? Because ppl need organs for things other than disease 'replacement' also. Accidents happen. Thats who I would like the organs to go to.

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human experimentation would be considered cruel and unusual punishment. the 8th amendment outlaws any type of cruel and unusual punishment.

they should be injected with sleeping medication, they when everyone leaves, the scientists should haul the "dead" guy away. They take out the dude's useful and operational organs and brains and donate them to science muhahaha

Or may kill the con the same way they killed someone else. If the guy crashed a plane into a building killing many people and survived, that person should stand in the middle of a runway with a plane heading toward him at 200mph. lol.....wait am i sick?