Stuff learned on here is mostly kinder graden (no disrespect to most, but if you are in a high end studio Fruity isn't the platform of choice..)

Basically if you are really serious you have a couple of angles to persue:-

1. Get a "Real" BMus (Batchelor of Music) degree. the music background afforded you from that will set you up for practically any job in the industy.

2. Find a studio and bug them to get you in as an intern. if you make the grade you may even get an assistant engineer position and work your way up. This is a vlaif option no matter what you do academically up until you are about 25 (Older than that and they tend to wonder what your doing!)

3. Go find somewhere that does a degree ot higher ed Cert along the lines of "Music Technologu" or " music technology & Record Production" Your odds of getting a job based on the cert are no better than with out, but the skills you learn will make you more hirable.

4. Just get deep into it and get yourself signed

I strongly disuade you from going somewhere like Fullsail or SAE, they cost a lot of cash and what you learn whils decent i don't feel is worth the money. Also many people go to them expecting to just walk out to a job in the industry. Not likely.

in most cases if you are wanting to work in a big studio then be prepared to make a lot of tea / coffee, and have little sleep for no pay...

The are many paths and no one of them is "right", though there are many pitfalls to be avoided (I've highlighted a couple above"

What every you do you need to be persistant, at least semi-competant to start with and at least somewhat charasmatic. No one wants to hire someone to work with for long hours on a projects that's near to their hearts, with potentially large sums of cash involved with a jackass...

What ever you do, make sure you have a "Backup" career too. It's been said many times, but if you have a real marketable skill that isn't music you should be always to at least make ends meet..

awesome, thanks a million
http://www.audiomasterclass.com/ how does this look?

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theres no money in it. People and companies arent willing to pay big bucks for good quality production anymore, they will under pay for sub par material, because the general public will still buy it.


Good luck!

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make an awsome pop tune.

dance music is (and remains) a hobby for the majority of people who do it. - sure tiesto/armin/etc etc make money but they jumped on the bandwagon before there even was a bandwagon.

use some of your trance production skills to make a pop track with a girl that sings nice... i recon trance is one of the hardest music types to do right.

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i think making a pop tune with a cheese vocal would be like selling my soul to the devil lol



but thats where the money is

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How much money can somebody who releases a record expect to make? Presuming its not commercially successful, but is signed and released relatively quietly?

there are countless jobs out there in regards to audio production.

post-production
multitrack recording
mixing engineer
mastering engineer
live sound engineer
studio design
sound designer (film/games)
composer
sound/music editor
field recording

and seriously, that's only a few of your options if you want a "career"
i currently do sound design for a software company and earn a decent living.

Is there any career in mastering engineering? i mean in all areas aka mastering pop songs would be lucerative wouldnt it?

yeah for sure but it doesnt work like that most of the time, like you can teach yourself mastering but most people cover more areas than just mastering. so you got to do a audio engineering (level various) study so that you have experience in most aspect in a studio or live enviroment!

so if want a career in just that, well you still best to do an audio engineering study so you have a better chance than just knowing mastering. but im sure people have jobs in audio field without even having a PIECE OF PAPER SAYING THEY DID THE DEGREE etc.that all they know is mastering because the boss knew the guy hired him!

so sometimes you can be lucky or sometimes you got to work hard to get that piece of paper! and that piece of paper increases your chance by miles i would think but you still need volunteer experience which would help! but then again you could know most about studio techniques but not have a piece of paper giving you credit. thats the only reason why they get you to pay $30,000 etc to get that paper.


im actually going to sae in about 2007-2008 got to save a little!
im going to aim to do my masters in audio engineering at sae also maybe even a short course but that maybe a waste of money because i can teach myself that stuff. then future i want learn about music technology etc. might have to learn electronics and software engineering because i also want to get into synthesis or sound design. i will have to get back into my good old physics again to some degree relating to sound area, but mostly anything to do with audio i would be greatly satisfied!

cheers guys!

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Originally posted by Mav 3000 How much money can somebody who releases a record expect to make? Presuming its not commercially successful, but is signed and released relatively quietly?

by my rule of thumb i say from peoples remarks, DONT QUIT YOUR DAY JOB!

honestly people who create music (majority) and get it signed are just like you and me they work and then they go home to do their hobby which is producing.
well you know steve may who got his track on ISOS 4 well he works great guy too very nice and a top producer natural talent! thats just an example though everyone is in different shoes.

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Originally posted by Mav 3000 How much money can somebody who releases a record expect to make? Presuming its not commercially successful, but is signed and released relatively quietly?

100-200$ For a digital release these days.
Vinyl would make more in most cases.

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