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Arudius
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Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Berkshire County, MA
BT techniques

I was wondering if anyone knows the ins and outs of some of BT and other electronic artists' trademark techniques? I know it's not just BT, but I say him because he just does it A LOT. Things like stutter-stepping...how do you achieve that? I'm not a novice audio user, but novice with these techniques.

Examples I'm thinking of are like BT - Revolution...things like transitions between sections, it sounds like a super super stuttered snare with some kind of filter? I would post examples but this site doesn't allow mp3's to be posted. I have cut out a few short mp3's from songs as examples of what I'm referring to but I can't post them here!

-Arudius

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IDarkISwordI
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Hey. You can post samples of songs at YouSendIt. If you come up with specific questions about BTs techniques, I'm pretty sure I can tell you how to do it .

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Arudius
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Oh awesome! Well here is a seemingly simple example but it still eludes me. I'm familiar with synthesis, but it just escapes me how to create this:

http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...IQ3NOU0W52ESPH6

My first opinion would be...use a snare sample, of course fade the volume, but is that a phase filter or something that gives it that weird "woooaaaahhh" quality? Builds a lot of energy!

Thanks for your help! I can post more examples too if you'd be open to helping me out.

-Arudius

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djlogik
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I want to say that has a flanger/phaser...with a vocoder? I'm not too familiar with crazy effects, but I definitely know that's a phaser/flanger.


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thoughtlessjex
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That's several things. Obviously it's a stuttered snare drum sample, but there's also some flanger/phaser automation and some peak filter automation. Maybe some distortion and compression. The phaser gives it the sparkly sound that it has, but what really makes it sound like someone going weeeeuu is a peak/formant filter. The latter is best if you want to get such trippy filter sounds.


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JustinMead
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quote:
Originally posted by djlogik
I want to say that has a flanger/phaser...with a vocoder? I'm not too familiar with crazy effects, but I definitely know that's a phaser/flanger.


I just fail to see what the vocoder has to do with it But in fact that is an awsome effect, trying now

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Arudius
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Registered: Mar 2006
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Wow! I'm really impressed with how many people responded to this! I'm trying the flanger/phase trick, and one of my friends (Kyven, actually...check them out www.kyven.com) :-D ...he told me that you could do it a number of ways, but perhaps a "comb" filter?

-Arudius

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IDarkISwordI
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To me that sounds like a flanger and a vocoder. I tried recreating it but without the original sound (which is undoubtedly recorded by BT himself), it would be very difficult to reproduce an identical or even mostly similar effect. Put the flanger in before vocoder and then do some pitch bending and youll get something similar. Btw, a vocoder is a special type of comb filter, and if the comb filter you were using is advanced enough, then that could be substituted.

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Zac


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JustinMead
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Ok then i guess i dont really know how the vocoder works then

Ill shut up now

Justin

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thoughtlessjex
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quote:
I tried recreating it but without the original sound (which is undoubtedly recorded by BT himself)

Can you imagine BT sitting there with a mic going, "weeeoooo"?


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WirelessEyes
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I have read many interviews and watched him work in Logic. Time correcting is so important to his music. He will do 40 processes on an edit, including everything mentioned above. he is religous about sound design using Kyma, Supercollider, and Csound. and also, he does all of his stutter edits by hand.
BT rocks.. he is a musical genious and has the most creativity i have seen from any producer, engineer, vocalist, composer etc.

BT - Somnabulist = 6,148 edits on the lead vocal ---- world record

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IDarkISwordI
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quote:
Originally posted by WirelessEyes

BT - Somnabulist = 6,148 edits on the lead vocal ---- world record


Hey. Yeah, thats quite impressive, especially when it takes me a few days to do a hundred vocal edits in a song. Stunning...

Cheers,
Zac


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