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HardTranceProd
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A dictatorship in Western Europe? Look no further than Italy

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk...alian_coup.html

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It is a long time since there has been coup d'etat in a western European country, so maybe we have forgotten what they look like. Apart from Greece in 1967, I think the last successful attempt to defy an election in our part of the world was carried out by General Franco in the 1930s. But Silvio Berlusconi is getting as close as possible - and much closer than he should - to emulating the Caudillo and the colonels. His refusal to accept the official results of Italy's general election may technically just squeeze within the country's constitutional rules - though I'm sceptical about that - but it is indisputably the act of a moral law-breaker. It is not the right way to behave in a democracy.

When the other guy gets more votes and seats, Silvio, then you have to quit. The team that gets the most goals is the winner, even in a penalty shoot-out. Them's the rules. But Berlusconi has always been a rule-breaker, a law-avoider, a responsibility shirker. The refusal to accept the existing rules is at the heart of his politics. That is why he not quitting now. And, while we're at it, let's put the next great fear out on the table here too. The longer Berlusconi clings to power, the more likely that he will fix the result, by bribery or dirty tricks, in his favour. By all means have a review and a recount and so on - but not under the supervision of a government that is trying to hang on to office.

What we are seeing is close as dammit to an outrage to democracy of the kind with which the European Union is not unfamiliar. This was the way Milosevic behaved when Serbs voted him out. It is the way Viktor Yanukovich acted when Ukrainians had the effrontery to vote for Yushchenko. When those crooks tried to hang on in the face of the results, our governments took action, stood together and upheld the rule of democracy and law. Why is the behaviour of an Italian crook any different today? Answer: it isn't. If Berlusconi does not quit, the nations of Europe should break off diplomatic relations. Italy should be excluded from all EU functions until the will of the electorate is respected. If Europe allows Berlusconi to stay in power it will have proved itself as useless as the League of Nations was when it failed to stand up to another Italian autocrat 70 years ago.


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Fact: roughly 500,000 ballots were thrown out

Fact: the margin of victory was roughly 25,000


Let's have a recount before declaring a winner and a loser at this point.


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Fact: roughly 500,000 ballots were thrown out


what does this mean

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ShadoWolf
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what does this mean



Actually some reports put the figure as low was 43,000 ballots. In any case, there are tens of thousands of ballots are have been disputed. In most cases, the ballots were rejected because of the way the voter marked the ballot.


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Berlusconi is just owned because he's likely to be prosecuted if he loses all his mandates (ie his immunity).

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DaveSZ
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Silvio lost.

"Get over it."


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ResonantDrag
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this sounds strangely familiar..

it must have been a dream

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DaveSZ
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Berlusconi to quit and make way for Prodi
Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:36pm ET

ROME (Reuters) - Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi said on Saturday he would resign, ending three weeks of wrangling over a narrow election defeat and clearing the political decks for Romano Prodi to take power.

Berlusconi would hand in his resignation to President Carlo Azeglio Ciampi on Tuesday after a scheduled cabinet meeting, officials said.

He had previously alleged election fraud and had refused to formally concede defeat after the April 9-10 polls.

http://today.reuters.com/news/artic..._0_US-ITALY.xml


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I smell a resurgence of the Brigate Rosse

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