I feel bad for them. Hope they get their rights..

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Originally posted by adi26 I feel bad for them. Hope they get their rights..

suuuure forget about it.

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Originally posted by adi26 Hope they get their rights..

Very unlikely under Sharia law, and with the way things are panning out geopolitically, it's only going to expand and become more deeply rooted in that region over the next few decades (Sharia, that is, not homosexuality).

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Yep. Even most secular muslim nations (Turkey... well, I guess that's about it) are having revival in muslim fundamentalism and more closely implemented Sharia law.

Islam kinda makes it hard for a separation of state and church (well, mosque in this case)... Islam is a pretty political religion and haven't been able to distance itself from politics to the degree other major religions have.

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Originally posted by chinamon not true. i say "ugh" but i am a tranny.

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Originally posted by kotsy lol colour me retarded

Iran was an islamic country 30 years ago but the government did not think in an islamic view.
This is why Religion and Politics should be seperated.
Its all the mulah's fault.

Last edited by Reza on May-19-2007 at 01:36

I think that Imam needs to come out of the closet.

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Originally posted by rT19 Iran was an islamic country 30 years ago but the government did not think in an islamic view. This is why Religion and Politics should be seperated. Its all the mulah's fault.

Islam (theoretically) draws no line between religion and politics. Shari'a encompasses an entire way of living, and it is (theoretically) impossible to separate it into secular law and religious practice. Up until the fall of the Ottoman Empire at the end of WWI, the Sultan-Caliph was both a temporal-political and divine-religious ruler. The idea of "nation-state" in which politics could possibly be separate from religion is fairly new to the Middle East; since the expansion of the Islam from the 600s, the "state" was defined by the geographic territory of the believing community. As the most learned and pious members of the community, the ulema (theoretically) function as both political and religious authorities to help create a just and good society, as defined from the chaotic darkness of the non-Islamic world. This is not the case in Christian theology or society, from which the idea of the nation-state was born. Christian salvation and goodness occur on a much more individualistic level (invidivual acceptance of Christ as messiah, leadership, help in achieving salvation b/c of death on cross etc).

Not to say that it couldn't be different. It's just more complicated to separate the two when the religion is Islam, and most of the Middle East has about 350 years less practice with the concept.

Where I am living, Singapore, the supposed "western" and "progressive" nation that it aspires to be, homosexuality is illegal.

Pathetic, nations in the G8 and EU should have mandatory equal rights for Homosexuals like at this point why are we denying it exists still?

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Originally posted by 7-4-7 Where I am living, Singapore, the supposed "western" and "progressive" nation that it aspires to be, homosexuality is illegal. Pathetic, nations in the G8 and EU should have mandatory equal rights for Homosexuals like at this point why are we denying it exists still?

Then I guess Singapore is in luck, since it's a member of neither the G8 nor the EU.



I also don't think anybody is denying that it exists. If it's illegal, then there's obviously an implicit acceptance that it does.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Then I guess Singapore is in luck, since it's a member of neither the G8 nor the EU. I also don't think anybody is denying that it exists. If it's illegal, then there's obviously an implicit acceptance that it does.

right

The Singapore comment denotes my current relevant context, as it relates to homosexuality and backward opinions on the matter.

Then I made a suggestion, which not so subtly indicated my thoughts on the matter.

I understand your logic on the implicit suggestion, however the fact that it is illegal indicates several opinions on the matter. None of which account for the fact that it is a biologically driven reality. I wouldn't even go so far as to say that they merely acknowledge that it exists, when they give zero credence to why it does in the first place.

Why is it that people are so quick to say that gays deserve more "rights" in the western world, where they're already doing reasonably well for themselves, but those same people manage to be so uncomfortable talking about gay rights in Muslim states, where they are routinely tortured and killed?

Don't answer that - it's a rhetorical question.

Yes, I know, you were talking about Singapore - and somehow managed to change the subject in two sentences to the G8/EU, which is totally irrelevant to the discussion.

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