save some more money and get either the mackie 1202 or 1402 vlz pro...

Have you looked at the Yamaha MG 12/4? It's a solid mixer, had it for 2 years and it worked really fine.

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Originally posted by DeZmA I've been looking at the soundcraft series but the 2 stereo ins have these have the crappy 1/4 jack connections.

I dont wanna disappoint you but 1/4 jack connections are state-of-the-art in the professional sector.
RCA/Cinch is the consumer standard.

Anyway, maybe look at the Behringer Series, they should have something half-decent for 250 bux.
Something like: http://www.behringer.com/VMX1000/index.cfm?lang=ENG

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Originally posted by DeZmA crappy 1/4 jack connections

LOL. Yea... RCA connectors aren't balanced. 1/4"TRS connectors are balanced.

Balanced = Good.
Industry standard = Good.

Can't go wrong with a 6 channel alesis.

Oh and don't complain about 1/4", there's always RCA -> 1/4" adaptors.

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Oh and don't go berhinger. Just because they're cheap doesn't mean they're worth the buy. Go for a simple mackie, or an alesis, any of those will do. Avoid the Berinshite at all costs.

Some good alternatives:
http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMM6FX
http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACDFX6

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Originally posted by DJFreaq Oh and don't go berhinger.

Por Que?

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Originally posted by DJFreaq LOL. Yea... RCA connectors aren't balanced. 1/4"TRS connectors are balanced. Balanced = Good. Industry standard = Good. Can't go wrong with a 6 channel alesis. Oh and don't complain about 1/4", there's always RCA -> 1/4" adaptors. *edit* Oh and don't go berhinger. Just because they're cheap doesn't mean they're worth the buy. Go for a simple mackie, or an alesis, any of those will do. Avoid the Berinshite at all costs. Some good alternatives: http://www.zzounds.com/item--ALEMM6FX http://www.zzounds.com/item--MACDFX6

Now what exactly is so "shitty" about the Berinshite? I have an 8 channel mixer from them and it works as any mixer should... perfectly.

Maybe you just don't like the name ;-)

Pce,
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Well this topic has ALREADY been gone over before in other threads. But *sigh* I'll defend my distate with Behringer once again.

1. http://broadcastengineering.com/new...0226/index.html

2. Personal reasons. My DJX700 sucks. Horrible piece of electronics.

3. Other testimonials. Plenty of people have made the mistake of opting for lower prices, and have always spent even more moneying buying equipment that works. I bought a DJX700. Shit. It sucks. Now I'm out 250$ plus the money I'd have to spend to buy a quality DJ Mixer. Boy I'm stupid for buying Behringer.

4. Ok. For those of you "defending" Behringer, you may have gotten lucky! You may have gotten one of their devices that work just fine. And happy day for you. BUT, it's the INCONSISTENCY in quality of workmanship which makes them a bad choice.

Others will back me up on this. So please. Enough.

Friends don't let friends buy Behringer.

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Sorry, my mistake, I meant rca of course. These are the connections on those ultra compact soundcraft mixers. (Except for the 2 xlr's).

I know behringer sucks and I'm not going to buy a mixer of them, they might copy the design of mackie (they have been sued several times) but their internal circuit remains crap. I know some guys who use them and after a while there's a lot of noise when you move the faders. If you want low budget I think tapco is good.

Would soundcraft be comparable to mackie quality wise?
I've boon looking at these mixers and they look okay. Also if you have a quality mixing desk, do you still need a preamp for a condensor mic or are the built-in preamps good enough?

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Built in pres on Mackie mixers are kind of joked about at school. We call it the "Mackie Magic."

I would much rather have an outboard esoteric pre-amp to power my condenser microphones. Granted, the pre-amps on a soundcraft, mackie, tapco, alesis, behringer--- all have Phanotom power 48v, but the quality in the pre-amp circuit varies.

I'm actually really not familiar with the soundcraft brand of mixers so I can't give you an educated opinion on the way they sound.

Keep doing your research. And if you can, find a good pro-audio store to try things out. AND ask opinions of the sales people. Granted, some of the sales guys will try to sell you the best. BUT... Depending on the store/person, you might just get the expert advice you need. A lot of pro-audio people never go farther than retail, and have been in it for years, they'll know plenty.

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alesis has a new line of mixers that have USB/firewire interface. I'd recommend getting a firewire interface - this way you can record straight from the mixer to the Cubase on all channels, as opposed to USB - which only gives you 2 (main outs). they're small and actually not too expensive. Plus you have some built-in FX. You can get a 8/12/16 channel mixers and not too expensive. You can probably get a 12 chanel, firewire mixer for about $380.

cheers.

edit: here's a link for 12 ch:
http://www.alesis.com/product.php?id=93

I'd recommend staying away from 8, as it offers pots instead of sliders. 16 is a way to go if you have lots of gear.

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EMC read my mind. I've been looking into the 12 ch firewire mixer from Alesis.

Hmm... I'll keep it in mind some more now.

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