You should definitely make the bassline more active and maybe a bit louder. Also, add some more percs when the bass comes in.

Also, add a new element around :14 -- when the thirty-third beat hits.

At :14, you might want to use that same "crash" kind of sound that hits at :28.

Hmm... Okay, make the bassline a bit more octavating. Add more elements at :14, and something at :28... Hmm... any FX idea's man?

Anyone else willing to help me out?

I've often encoutered this problem. Different genres and different production styles offer different solutions. With euphoric trance, the most common problem is not being able to keep the attention of the listener. You grab it early on with a beat you've worked on for hours and built to perfection, and then after a few bars it starts to get old and repetitive. With this kind of trance, everything has to be very captivating and constantly moving. You want the focus to be on the kicks at first, but then shift to a short hat line... then to the incoming bassline... then to the hats... then the claps... etc..

So instead of just piling up those elements and have them come in unnoticed, you need to draw attention to them as much as possible. There are a few good tricks for doing this. Firstly, try ending phrases with somekind of swelling sound, reversed crash, drumroll or accent to mark it well, and on the first beat of your next phrase, have somekind of effect hitting (like a crash, or simply just filtered white noise). If you want to draw even more attention to it, try removing the last bar of kicks completely. This is going to capture the listener's attention for a split second, just as you introduce a new instrument or line of percussion. Another thing I like to do that works especially well for open hats and mid-high range synth lines is to slide them in with a filter that opens over a few phrases. It really brings them out above the rest. At the same time, have some long atmospheric pads rise up very slowly and playing along the bass notes (to be faded out when the breakdown hits).

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Originally posted by Aquarian I've often encoutered this problem. Different genres and different production styles offer different solutions. With euphoric trance, the most common problem is not being able to keep the attention of the listener. You grab it early on with a beat you've worked on for hours and built to perfection, and then after a few bars it starts to get old and repetitive. With this kind of trance, everything has to be very captivating and constantly moving. You want the focus to be on the kicks at first, but then shift to a short hat line... then to the incoming bassline... then to the hats... then the claps... etc.. So instead of just piling up those elements and have them come in unnoticed, you need to draw attention to them as much as possible. There are a few good tricks for doing this. Firstly, try ending phrases with somekind of swelling sound, reversed crash, drumroll or accent to mark it well, and on the first beat of your next phrase, have somekind of effect hitting (like a crash, or simply just filtered white noise). If you want to draw even more attention to it, try removing the last bar of kicks completely. This is going to capture the listener's attention for a split second, just as you introduce a new instrument or line of percussion. Another thing I like to do that works especially well for open hats and mid-high range synth lines is to slide them in with a filter that opens over a few phrases. It really brings them out above the rest. At the same time, have some long atmospheric pads rise up very slowly and playing along the bass notes (to be faded out when the breakdown hits).

Thanks a lot buddy, I appreaciate you taking your time away to help me out with build ups and such. That really helped, although some of the techniques you've mentioned were stuff that I learned a while back, and it's been helping a lot. Problem is, the only conflict that I have to fix up is my synth programming knowledge... If I'm more familiar with synth programming and actually "know" what I'm tweaking, producers have told me that I could make stuff much better. And I bloody well believe that! You can even use synth programming to make your percussions and such, but I'm already good at percussions (in my opinion). My only problem is FX, synthesis and a other related stuff to synth programming. But as everyone sais, practise, read, and MORE practise will lead you to be more comfortable with what you're trying to make, and then finally compose nice stuff on a build up to catch the listeners attention.

Again, what you wrote to me really helped a lot. I'm finished 2:24 minutes of the song, and almost done the build up; Progressive Trance always has nice and long progressive builds, around 2:50 or 4:00 sometimes.


Thanks so much, you've helped me big time! It really means a lot to me, have a good one mate and take care.

Regards,
Jordan

yeah i was having the same problem your having now, but just definately use effects to keep the tune interesting.automation can be your friend.
oh by the way, hey fk that world at war tune is sick man, good work.

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Last edited by Anz_ on Sep-01-2006 at 07:31

Hey friends!

Thank you for your input, I'll do my best with FX. And automation can also help, I agree with you 100%. I am getting further into this track and it actually has a "decent" build up. I feel like I can do better, but I will keep trying! And about your "World at War" track, I'll definitely check this out!

Thanks again guys, appreaciate it! I will post a sample to what I have soon.


'gards,
Jordan

One thing you'd do well with is sound effects. Sweeps and such are common in this style of music, and keep things moving.

Part of the thing is, you have absolutely no drive whatsoever. Bring in some sixteenths at some point.

Vary things a bit more. There is one change in percussion at 28, and that's it. Trance is all about increasing the energy before a beat loses your interest, and music that stagnates won't cut it, so build things a bit faster.

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