Yeah those commercials were completely rediculous. Its turning into the Reagan's Just Say No to Drugs shit again in the US. The reason they were completely out of bounds was, YET AGAIN, they failed to discriminate between soft and hard drugs use, and the perpetuate the myth that drug users are BAD people. Society(meaning the US govt especially) needs to learn that people with drug problems need to be treated medically, not imprisoned or in this case - or thrown into the category of terrorist. Plus you know what the best way to keep terrorists from funding campaigns with drug money? Make them legal, or AT LEAST the soft drugs, and tax them. They can be controlled for purity and the money WONT go to terrorists, itll stay in the US. It's rediculous that shit like alcohol and cigarettes are legal, but these substances which are supposedly MUCH worse for you arent. You know why? Because the govt says so. Without the stigmatization and punishment, it wouldnt BE a problem. The war on drugs is completely misguided... late/

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I laugh at gov't's commericials........most don't work except health canada's visually disgusting commercials to get ppl to stop smoking. They have worked and same with their labels on cigarette packs. That worked and studies show it has worked. But the usa gov't commercial is laughable, oh well. Sit back and laugh imo.

You wanna know whats sad? They probably have 10 dudes sittin around in a room making more money than they should, thinkin this dumb shit up. Talk about a lame scare tactic, I was working one night and I saw that commericial on TV, and I thought, Holy shit somebody needs to try harder than that, thats just fuckin lame.

Not to mention the very underfunded re-hab programs that are seeing HUGE lineups and turning away desperate drug addicts.. That money spent on these fucking stupid commercials could have been used to fund these desperately under-funded programs for the next year...

BUT WHO CARES about the people who need help, just get this dumb and blind to support Bush's stupid drug-war which has been a HUGE failure for over a decade and that will never be won in the way its approached.

Thanks again to you two who have obviously thought this out, mean you are not part of the media sheep

Cheers!

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That advert makes NO sense at all!!! The Gov't wants to make people think that ALL drugs are bad and the people who use them are bad as well. Here's my opinion: Gov't, want to make money? Legalise ALL drugs and TAX the shit out of it!!! It doesn't make sense that something that YOU are taking a health risk using and YOU KNOW it has to be illegal. Look at Alcohol and Cigarettes: They present a health risk (Liver damage, Lung Cancer, etc.), YET they're legal and ADVERTISED! There are drugs that are better on your health than those 2 substances combined and the government says that these are GOOD for you? It would make more sense if the drugs were legal because everyone would be happy-- Users (no more worries about getting caught), Government (they're making more money than ever now!), etc.! Who agrees with me?
Also, what are the drug laws for The Netherlands? Over there, what's legal and what's not? I know Marihuana is legal over there but, what about the other drugs?

"I helped children kill each other today. It was just some harmless fun"

"I helped terrorists fund their operations today. Just some harmless fun!"

This almost makes me want to go out and buy a bag of weed just to send a big fuck you to whoever thought this shit up . Its so silly its nearly comical. How many millions of dollars did the gov't spend to fund these commercials? What about the 20 million spent on superbowl airtime for this shit? How about scratching the propaganda bullshit, and instead giving those millions to a charity, or a rehab center (for people who _really_ need it), or to food to help hungry people... or something, other than wasting money on a stupid message that noone with half a brain is going to pay attention to?

just my $.02

guess what everyone! coffee and tea are also drugs. i bet ya 20 bucks bush is a junkie just like oh i dunno about 2/3s (at least) of north americans

anyways, government ads ARE stupid. a good canadian ad that contains the same amount of stupidity as that bush campaign is the smoking ad. where they have some nerdy guy kicking a cigarette and theres some equally nerdy girl jumping up behind the dude (purpose of that girl still remains a mystery to me after having to see that ad everywhere for over a year)
my point is, these kinds of ads are there for a reason, they were inteded to be stupid. see, a regular ad against smoking or drugs wouldnt make you go 'OMG this ad is soooooo dumb' but these ones do. they are noticible (what the gov't wants), ppl see them and talk about them with their friends eventually talking about smoking and drugs and discussing issues associated with them as well as their effects (what the gov't wants). see, these ads strike discussions like this one, it is them who make us really think not some ad whith a 15 yr olddude going, 'oh, my father used to smoke 2 packs a day, now he's dead'

see my point?

i was waiting for someone to start talking about this.....

First off...i DO NOT LIKE THESE COMMERCIALS....

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.......the commercials do not say EVERYONE buying drugs is helping terrorism..its says that people who buy drugs MAY BE helping terrorism..thats not everyone...and Bush has not be on a drug campaign for 10 years...i dont know where u got that from...

..........Reagan's JUST SAY NO campaign reduced teenage drug use in the 80's by 40% with those 3 little words..how can u say thats "shit"...do u feel that young kids who DO NOT know any better should experiment drugs that are no good for them in the first place??..persoanlly i think if you are an ADULT then u can make that decision but that campaign was aimed at children mainly

...then u said that it implys that all drug users are bad people...well that is not entirely false...the majority of people who use drugs tend to be criminals or degenerates..that is a fact...and drugs have shown OVER AND OVER again that they lead to criminal behavior...NOT all the time...but the majority of time...

.......WHY WOULD THEY tell the difference between hard or soft drug use...it makes NO difference...they are saying if u buy drugs your money MAY fund terrorist behavior...whether u buy weed or crack...

Look u have to understand that these commercials are geared towards children....i dont agree with the approach but if they make just 1 kid not try crack then they are well worth the time and effort....

drugs should not be legal...and u CAN NOT compare the effects of Crack, Coke, PCP, Dust, Shrooms, Crank, or Acid to the effects of cigarrettes...those drugs are mind altering garbage that in most cases lead to violence, crime, and/or poverty....they are no good and to make them legal would do absolutley nothing but cause more problems....

I can see that marijuana could be lagal but not those other drugs...maybe u guys should go visit the hospital and take a look at a crack baby or go to a psyc-ward and visit all the people who took mind-altering drugs that can no-longer function in our world cus they are far gone...or maybe u should go to crime scene where people are beaten or murdered for drugs...then u might have a glimpse of what drugs do....or maybe u need to grow older and have YOUR own children try drugs and then u can visit them at the morge when or if they OD..and u can identify there body.,..then tell me drugs should be legal......saying drugs (besides weed) should be legal is an ignorant and obscene statement....seriosuly think about what u are saying....

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Being from the UK I havn't seen these commercials. However worryingly they are working to some degree, because I've had people use the terrorism argument against me.

ps. I posted a trip report on your site Thor. Hope I did it right

Firstly let me say that some of you have read my drug rants before, I just want those people to know that its people like this that make any FAIR/OPEN drug discussion impossible. The ignorant statements made by Tiesto14 (must be 14yrs old) are outrageous and most importantly quite ill informed... Saying all drug users resort to crime is just like me calling all black people stupid or criminals....

Ignorance is society's most dangerous enemy, especially when it comes to the absolute disgrace that is the drug war. Countless millions being wasted on a war that would make Vietnam look like a smart idea.

Drug use continues all over the world to be steady, the only thing the drug war has done is make drugs more expensive and make the cartels MUCH wealthier... There are solutions to the drug war, the best on is to remove the cartels by controlling all illegal drugs, and bringing in medical help to dangerous drugs like crack, opium, heroin, etc... But most importantly legalizing a drug like Marijuana that is no worse than Alcohol. Police all over America waste their resources on weed, filling up prisons with non-violent people who like to smoke a joint!

This post has upset me, its not often I see such BS posted by anyone... Thanks Tiesto14, you make me appreciate running my website to help fight against ignorance that people like you spout.

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First off...i DO NOT LIKE THESE COMMERCIALS.... BUT... .......the commercials do not say EVERYONE buying drugs is helping terrorism..its says that people who buy drugs MAY BE helping terrorism..thats not everyone...and Bush has not be on a drug campaign for 10 years...i dont know where u got that from...

Wow, you have so much to learn. Listen how much do you really know about the drug war? There are hundreds of Police Chiefs in the USA that met almost a year ago to discuss matters of concern. They overwhelmingly said that the drug war is a joke and that new ideas and approaches to the problem were needed. Look at Amsterdam for example, they are not perfect, but compared to the USA its like brilliant and dummer..

Bush has had input on the drug war for a LONG time, his father and his family have been seriously involved with drug policy in the USA for over a decade.

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..........Reagan's JUST SAY NO campaign reduced teenage drug use in the 80's by 40% with those 3 little words..how can u say thats "shit"...do u feel that young kids who DO NOT know any better should experiment drugs that are no good for them in the first place??..persoanlly i think if you are an ADULT then u can make that decision but that campaign was aimed at children mainly

Hmm, I support any campaign that speaks HONESTLY about drugs and keeps underage people from DRUGS, ALCOHOL, DRIVING... There is a time for people to handle the responsibility of certain things. But what you neglect to mention is that 'just say no' has no direct meaning. Its a useless blurb like Nike's JUST DO IT campaign. If you want to educate the world with stupid catch frases, please do so, but it teaches people NOTHING.

I believe in honesty, truth, knowladge, and letting people make their own decisions when they are old enough.

By the way where did you get that silly 40% number that you quoted, I want an exact source for that, because its just not true.

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...then u said that it implys that all drug users are bad people...well that is not entirely false...the majority of people who use drugs tend to be criminals or degenerates..that is a fact...and drugs have shown OVER AND OVER again that they lead to criminal behavior...NOT all the time...but the majority of time...

Wow, its rare that I see such utter ignorance, this statement sounds like 'all blacks are criminals'... You can't even imagine how insulting that statement is! I've done drugs for quite some time now, and I used to be a anti drug proponent. I've been on both sides, now I own a website dedicated to a drug that has been used for THOUSANDS of years to enlighten people.

Your ignorance in this statement only tells me that you have been brainwashed by the mass media and haven't spend 2 minutes to read anything about de-crimininalization movements, etc... You know nothing about drugs if you think all drug users are criminals. Hell in my city most of my friends use Marijuana occasionally, some use E once in a while, and yes many use mushrooms... Most of my friends are degree holders, own houses, some have families.. NONE of them have ever been involved in a crime, NONE..

Your statement is ignorant and I am ashamed to read this in a Trance forum considering most Trance fans are quite into love and respect. You show ZERO respect and make HUGE judgements over a segment of people that represents people from all over the world in all of societies classes.

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.......WHY WOULD THEY tell the difference between hard or soft drug use...it makes NO difference...they are saying if u buy drugs your money MAY fund terrorist behavior...whether u buy weed or crack...

It makes a HUGE difference! Listen you dumbass, you've obviously read nothing about the drug war, did you know the US government FUNDED the TALIBAN with 40 million US dollars to wipe out the opium trade in their country. The TALIBAN used that money to fund TERRORISM, this is FACT smart boy.... The US government is the drug CARTELS best friend, why?? Because if drugs weren't illegal and were rather approached with more intelligent means, the CARTELS would lose the vast fortunes they have, and crime would decrease dramaticly.

Did you know well over 40% over imprissoned inmates are in on Marijuana charges! I mean you drink Alcohol and you think people who use MJ are somehow worse than you?!

The US government is the BIGGEST supporter of the illegal drug trade, this is why that commercial is so unbelievably upsetting... The marijuana in this continent is locally grown, has nothing to do with terrorism. Some drugs have their roots in crime organizations, but they only exist because of STUPID American drug policy.

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Look u have to understand that these commercials are geared towards children....i dont agree with the approach but if they make just 1 kid not try crack then they are well worth the time and effort....

These commercials are geared towards ALL who watch it, no person is excempt. EDUCATION stops people from making stupid choices like trying crack... I've never done crack, NEVER will, but I use other illegal drugs that I like, MJ, Mushrooms, MDMA... I made all those choices based on what I read, and I know for a fact that mushrooms/MJ are damn fucking safe.

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drugs should not be legal...and u CAN NOT compare the effects of Crack, Coke, PCP, Dust, Shrooms, Crank, or Acid to the effects of cigarrettes...those drugs are mind altering garbage that in most cases lead to violence, crime, and/or poverty....they are no good and to make them legal would do absolutley nothing but cause more problems....

The only difference is the government tells you what to be addicted to... Nicotine is one of mankinds most addictive substances, yet its legal. Alcohol kills so many people, ruins lives, yet we don't ban it because the VAST majority of alcohol users use it responsibly and without any addiction problems... Same can be said for many drugs, and I mean in regards to things like Weed, Mushrooms, Mdma, etc.... Cocaine is even something that can be used without ruining your life, but I'd recommend not messing with it. When you say illegal drugs there are vast differences between marijuana and crack... Its like comparing a hand gun to a nuclear warhead...

Amsterdam has the best drug laws in this world, and they have MUCH less crime, MUCH less drug problems thant the USA does... If you want to see the opposite approach to the USA, look at Amsterdam, they approach drugs with a 'medical' view, the USA looks at it with an archaic LOCK EM UP approach... One works, one is a dismal failure that many police chiefs feel is a joke.

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I can see that marijuana could be lagal but not those other drugs...maybe u guys should go visit the hospital and take a look at a crack baby or go to a psyc-ward and visit all the people who took mind-altering drugs that can no-longer function in our world cus they are far gone...or maybe u should go to crime scene where people are beaten or murdered for drugs...then u might have a glimpse of what drugs do....or maybe u need to grow older and have YOUR own children try drugs and then u can visit them at the morge when or if they OD..and u can identify there body.,..then tell me drugs should be legal......saying drugs (besides weed) should be legal is an ignorant and obscene statement....seriosuly think about what u are saying....

Wow, mind altering drugs that make people crazy? How many stupid drug myths do you know?? Does cat piss make you high? OK DUMBASS, psychadelics can only be dangerous to people who have psychological problems.. This is science fact, healthy people can use these drugs and be totally fine.. The dangers of mushrooms/lsd are pale in comparison to alcohol/nicotine...

It seems you have done ZERO reading, you just spout bullshit that you hear on TV and stupid commercials.. I do read, I learn, and then I speak my mind on this shit, but obviously you are just an ignorant anti-drug moron who thinks he's so smart.

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