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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
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Damnit Bush, stop screwing with science!

It's getting monotonous. But he's crossing the line with this one with me:

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August 24, 2006
Evolution Major Vanishes From Approved Federal List
By CORNELIA DEAN

Evolutionary biology has vanished from the list of acceptable fields of study for recipients of a federal education grant for low-income college students.

The omission is inadvertent, said Katherine McLane, a spokeswoman for the Department of Education, which administers the grants. “There is no explanation for it being left off the list,” Ms. McLane said. “It has always been an eligible major.”

Another spokeswoman, Samara Yudof, said evolutionary biology would be restored to the list, but as of last night it was still missing.

If a major is not on the list, students in that major cannot get grants unless they declare another major, said Barmak Nassirian, associate executive director of the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers. Mr. Nassirian said students seeking the grants went first to their college registrar, who determined whether they were full-time students majoring in an eligible field.

“If a field is missing, that student would not even get into the process,” he said.

That the omission occurred at all is worrying scientists concerned about threats to the teaching of evolution.

One of them, Lawrence M. Krauss, a physicist at Case Western Reserve University, said he learned about it from someone at the Department of Education, who got in touch with him after his essay on the necessity of teaching evolution appeared in The New York Times on Aug. 15. Dr. Krauss would not name his source, who he said was concerned about being publicly identified as having drawn attention to the matter.

An article about the issue was posted Tuesday on the Web site of The Chronicle of Higher Education.

Dr. Krauss said the omission would be “of great concern” if evolutionary biology had been singled out for removal, or if the change had been made without consulting with experts on biology. The grants are awarded under the National Smart Grant program, established this year by Congress. (Smart stands for Science and Mathematics Access to Retain Talent.)

The program provides $4,000 grants to third- or fourth-year, low-income students majoring in physical, life or computer sciences; mathematics; technology; engineering; or foreign languages deemed “critical” to national security.

The list of eligible majors (which is online at ifap.ed.gov/dpcletters/attachments/GEN0606A.pdf) is drawn from the Education Department’s “Classification of Instructional Programs,” or CIP (pronounced “sip”), a voluminous and detailed classification of courses of study, arranged in a numbered system of sections and subsections.

Part 26, biological and biomedical sciences, has a number of sections, each of which has one or more subsections. Subsection 13 is ecology, evolution, systematics and population biology. This subsection itself has 10 sub-subsections. One of them is 26.1303 — evolutionary biology, “the scientific study of the genetic, developmental, functional, and morphological patterns and processes, and theoretical principles; and the emergence and mutation of organisms over time.”

Though references to evolution appear in listings of other fields of biological study, the evolutionary biology sub-subsection is missing from a list of “fields of study” on the National Smart Grant list — there is an empty space between line 26.1302 (marine biology and biological oceanography) and line 26.1304 (aquatic biology/limnology).

Students cannot simply list something else on an application form, said Mr. Nassirian of the registrars’ association. “Your declared major maps to a CIP code,” he said.

Mr. Nassirian said people at the Education Department had described the omission as “a clerical mistake.” But it is “odd,” he said, because applying the subject codes “is a fairly mechanical task. It is not supposed to be the subject of any kind of deliberation.”

“I am not at all certain that the omission of this particular major is unintentional,” he added. “But I have to take them at their word.”

Scientists who knew about the omission also said they found the clerical explanation unconvincing, given the furor over challenges by the religious right to the teaching of evolution in public schools. “It’s just awfully coincidental,” said Steven W. Rissing, an evolutionary biologist at Ohio State University.

Jeremy Gunn, who directs the Program on Freedom of Religion and Belief at the American Civil Liberties Union, said that if the change was not immediately reversed “we will certainly pursue this.”

Dr. Rissing said removing evolutionary biology from the list of acceptable majors would discourage students who needed the grants from pursuing the field, at a time when studies of how genes act and evolve are producing valuable insights into human health.

“This is not just some kind of nicety,” he said. “We are doing a terrible disservice to our students if this is yet another example of making sure science doesn’t offend anyone.”

Dr. Krauss of Case Western said he did not know what practical issues would arise from the omission of evolutionary biology from the list, given that students would still be eligible for grants if they declared a major in something else — biology, say.

“I am sure an enterprising student or program director could find a way to put themselves in another slot,” he said. “But why should they have to do that?”

Mr. Nassirian said he was not so sure. “Candidly, I don’t think most administrators know enough about this program” to help students overcome the apparent objection to evolutionary biology, he said. Undergraduates would be even less knowledgeable about the issue, he added.

Dr. Krauss said: “Removing that one major is not going to make the nation stupid, but if this really was removed, specifically removed, then I see it as part of a pattern to put ideology over knowledge. And, especially in the Department of Education, that should be abhorred.”


http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/24/w...=rssnyt&emc=rss


Fucking asshole. Just keep them dumb, just the way you like 'em, eh?

This had better be inadvertent. But for some strange reason, I highly doubt it.....


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Lira
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You guys need to play with the right card:



That should do it


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InterMilan31
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Darwin tried to kill Bush's father

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Darwin tried to kill Bush's father


What a nice man he must be.

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It's official: America is a theocracy

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quote:
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It's official: America is a theocracy


lol... Iranica

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it never ceases to amaze me how the #1 free nation in the world can be so far behind in so many important ways


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Um guys, don't forget that evolution is just a "theory" here, which makes it no more true than the "theory" of atoms or the "theory" of gravity. Just because the entire existent body of empirical, scientific evidence supports the evolutionary theory, that doesn't necessarily make it true! Afterall, a scientific "theory" is just the opinion of some scientist guys sitting around in a laboratory somewhere - and what would a scientist know about genetics or biology!

Personally, I think it's great that the Bush administration is willing to listen to both sides of this evenly matched debate and to ignore 150 years of indisputable scientific evidence in favour of the delusions of completely fucking insane dickheads: teach the controversy, I say! Afterall, why should the US government fund it's own young medical researchers to learn about something that is - in the words of the scientists themselves! - just a "theory"? Surely American students of genetics and medicine wouldn't be put at a disadvantage if they were to be taught that everything we know about genetics is inherently wrong and that it all actually happened by magic? WHY ARE YOU LEFT-WING SCIENCE ELITISTS ALL SO CLOSED-MINDED!!!????


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trancaholic
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quote:
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Um guys, don't forget that evolution is just a "theory" here, which makes it no more true than the "theory" of atoms or the "theory" of gravity.

I agree completely that Bush is a twat and that the US is a disgraceful theocracy. Moreover, I don't mind announcing evolution through natural selection as our best theory for explaining the current variety of life. However, I'd like to know exactly what kind of predictions neo-darwinism (as you seem to support) allows for and exactly what kind of experiments that could debunk it. I know that both the theory of atoms and gravity (and superstring theory, quantum mechanics, and the theory of relativity) allow for bold conjectures, but I still don't see any such postulates coming from the likes of Dawkins?

(Btw. I've had an *extremely lengthy* discussion with Mister Opus about this "problem" before, and I apologize in advance if this turns out to be a repeat: I cannot commit myself to deep debate at this point of time - just thought that my above caveat needed mentioning.)

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Psionic
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Fucking fundamentalists...

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DaveSZ
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quote:
Originally posted by sasslife
lol... Iranica






http://rasmussenreports.com/2006/St...terallyTrue.htm


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75% in Arkansas, Alabama Believe Bible Literally True

August 26, 2006

Not surprisingly, the Bible Belt region lives up to its name with states like Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee and West Virginia containing the highest percentage of those who believe the Bible is literally true. Alabama and Arkansas came out on top as 75% say they believe the Bible is literally true. West Virginia (70%) and Tennessee (68%) are close behind.

The northeast region of our map represents the other extreme. In Vermont and Massachusetts, only 22% of those respondents believe the Bible is literally true—the lowest percentages in all states surveyed.

Earlier this summer, a national survey found that 54% of American adults believe the Bible is literally true.

In Arkansas, the question proves to be one of the rare ones that doesn’t cause divisions along party lines; 83% of Republicans and 75% of Democrats say the believe in the Bible’s literal truth. Seventy-nine percent (79%) of women and 69% of men identify themselves as true believers.

In Alabama, Democrats and Republicans both share high levels of belief on the authenticity and literal truth of the Bible. Women again outnumber men, though by a smaller percentage, 79% to 72%. The states differ, though, when the question is dissected by respondents’ ages. Percentages of those agreeing with the Bible’s authenticity are in the high 70’s across all age demographics for Alabama. In Arkansas, however, percentages are actually higher for younger voters. Eighty-one percent (81%) of those 18-29 and 83% of those 30-39 believe the Bible’s literal truth and then the numbers drop off, hitting a low of 66% for voters ages 50-64.

In Vermont, 37% of GOP voters and only 14% of Democrats say they are believers. Along age lines, the highest percentage of believers are those ages 65 and older (36%.)

In Massachusetts, Republican believers again outnumber Democrats (39% to 17%) Surprisingly, among conservatives in the state, the percentage of those who believe the Bible is true (41%) is outweighed by the percentage who do not (44%.)

As expected, strong connections exist in most of the states surveyed between the percentage of those who answered affirmatively on the Bible question and their positions on abortion and same-sex marriage. See Daily Snapshot to go to tables with a state-by-state breakdown of responses on all three subjects for Premium Members.

The national survey was of all adults. The state surveys consisted of Likely Voter samples. The results may not be directly comparable.

Rasmussen Reports is an electronic publishing firm specializing in the collection, publication, and distribution of public opinion polling information.

The Rasmussen Reports ElectionEdge™ Premium Service for Election 2006 offers the most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a mid-term election. We update the President's Job Approval Ratings daily and are polling every Senate and Governor's race at least once a month in 2006.

Rasmussen Reports was the nation's most accurate polling firm during the Presidential election and the only one to project both Bush and Kerry's vote total within half a percentage point of the actual outcome.

During Election 2004, RasmussenReports.com was also the top-ranked public opinion research site on the web. We had twice as many visitors as our nearest competitor and nearly as many as all competitors combined.

Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports, has been an independent pollster for more than a decade.


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On the upside, there was a partial victory against fundamentalism:

http://news.worldfitness.ca/2006/08...ans-for-plan-b/


It was only a partial victory because under 18 women still need a prescription, an arbitrary decision clearly influenced by fundamentlism.

In Iran women who merely shake hands with a man can be jailed, and they can be stoned to death for adultery.

Had the old confederacy survived as an intact nation, perhaps there would have been stonings and witch burnings.


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