it's not really important as the output is analog anyway and doesn't base on bits and khz.

nevertheless I think the DA convertor is 24b/96khz

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If less is more think about how much more more would be. -Frasier

it`s 18 bit 44 khz , i asked at clavia.com
i thought also it would be 24 96 at least, because i saw a nordlead 2 has that too, but those are nordlead2x(updated version of 2) that came after the nordlead 3.
he told me.

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Originally posted by thecYrus it's not really important as the output is analog anyway and doesn't base on bits and khz.

Wrong.

It outputs digital. Then performs a digital to analogue conversion at the end of the output stage. Sends the analogue signal to your soundcard input via a cable where the ADCs on your soundcard perform an analogue to digital conversion.

The internal bitrate and samplerate before the output stage of the Nord should be as high as fucking possible before conversion. Then the convertors need to be good and they need to oversample to avoid aliasing before the input. Which would suck if they didn't.

This is the thing about outboard which makes it suck if you are all digital. The number of times you convert from digital to analogue and vice versa. The more times you convert between them the shitter it sounds. Which is why, I don't recommend anyone uses outboard effects processors unless they have really fucking amazing converters - like serious Apogee Rosetta 200 type converters.

Otherwise you end up performing multiple DA/AD conversions before it even reachs the input of your soundcard. And you still have to perform another DA stage to output the signal to a speaker.

Real analogue is different because you skip the DA stage entirely before the input. Therefore direct line with analogue gear really means direct line. If you produce on a computer though you still need to perform an AD conversion at the soundcard input but 1 less conversion really makes the difference. Unless like I said before, you have shit hot converters.

Last edited by Derivative on Sep-04-2006 at 17:38

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Originally posted by Derivative The internal bitrate and samplerate before the output stage of the Nord should be as high as fucking possible before conversion. Then the convertors need to be good and they need to oversample to avoid aliasing before the input. Which would suck if they didn't.

of course, nobody said something else! but you can give it a shit as long as you have a soundcard which you want to use. and even if you have true analog synths you better use the best ADs out there. so who cares what the internal sampling rate of a NL3 is as long as you have an AD in the end..

Ugh. You are completely missing out the part of the Nord Lead converting its digital signal to analogue before outputting it.

I already mentioned with analogue you still want awesome AD conversion to get the most out of it - if you are producing in a digital environment. But in that same environment instead of sending an analogue signal direct into the sound card and then converting to analogue - you are creating a digital signal on the Nord Lead, converting it to analogue then converting the analogue signal back to digital again.

This is the biggest drawback to virtual analogue hardware. 2 conversion stages instead of 1 and the DA conversion on the VA synth usually isn't that brilliant anyway.

If you are using a softsynth you don't need to do that because you never convert it to analogue - it never passes through the input stage on your soundcard and the signal always remains digital until it is output to a speaker. The only time that would not apply is if you send the signal of a softsynth outboard. Then you have to convert to analogue. To get it back in you need to perform an AD conversion. And thats stupid unless your converters are all kinds of awesome.

Man - you have a Virus. Try sending a test tone to your soundcard via the analogue outs then sending it back into the input of the Virus. Keep doing it a couple of times and watch as the sound turns to shit.

Last edited by Derivative on Sep-04-2006 at 18:11

you don't need to tell me that. i know all this things!

but what do you want to do if the NL3 works internal only with 22kHz? double the speed of the sample generator? yeah, circuit bending :P

it's just complete useless to discuss about something which you can't change..

an 18 bit 44 khz signal DA converted then AD converted sounds worse than a 24 bit signal DA converted then AD converted assuming you use the same DA then AD converters throughout.

a completely analogue signal, AD converted will sound even better still, again assuming the AD converters are the same throughout the test.

I stand my by statement that this:

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it's not really important as the output is analog anyway and doesn't base on bits and khz.

is wrong and misleading.