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Read This! 'Delusional' Iraq plans envisaged only 5,000 troops by now, group says

I'm really quite shocked none of you posted this considering it's one of our hot topics.

Delusional is quite an apt term I would say.
Evidently they only skipped over the entire region's secular history...
Too many martini's or apparently the smoke was a little too thick from their cigars to see the power point presentation...

...dancing girls? meh....

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'Delusional' Iraq plans envisaged only 5,000 troops by now, group says

Story Highlights
• Planners projected stable, pro-American and democratic Iraq, documents show
• National Security Archive publishes slides from military briefings
• Military planners made "completely unrealistic assumptions," group says
• National Security Archive is independent research institute

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Some of the planning by Gen. Tommy Franks and other top military officials before the 2003 invasion of Iraq envisioned that as few as 5,000 U.S. troops would remain in Iraq by December 2006, according to documents obtained by a private research organization.

Slides obtained by the National Security Archive under the Freedom of Information Act contain a PowerPoint presentation of what planners projected to be a stable, pro-American and democratic Iraq after the ouster of Saddam Hussein.

"Completely unrealistic assumptions about a post-Saddam Iraq permeate these war plans," said National Security Archive Executive Director Thomas Blanton in a statement posted on the organization's Web site along with copies of some charts used in the PowerPoint presentation. (Read the documents on the National Security Archive Web siteexternal link)

"First, they assumed that a provisional government would be in place by 'D-Day', then that the Iraqis would stay in their garrisons and be reliable partners and, finally, that the post-hostilities phase would be a matter of mere 'months'. All of these were delusions." (Watch how the slides contradict the scenario presented publiclyVideo)

The organization said it initially requested documents related to the 2001-2003 planning sessions in 2004 and received them last month.

It said the posting Wednesday "reproduces the documents as they were released by CentCom, together with additional items prepared by the National Security Archive" as well as a chronology of Iraq war planning based on secondary sources and commentary by archives staffers.

Posting of the documents was reported by The New York Times in a story for Thursday's editions which noted that "the general optimism and some details of General Franks' planning session have been disclosed in the copious postwar literature."

The archives posting of additional detail includes commentary from some of the books and other material previously published about the war and its aftermath.

The archive is an independent research institute at George Washington University.

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They had plans?


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They had plans?

They had something that resembled the ramblings of Chief Inspector Dreyfuss.

Stealing the Doomsday device, holing up in a Bavarian Castle, and making the U.N. building disappear. Apparently all so they could get rid of Clouseau.


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quote:
Originally posted by Renegade
They had plans?


Shock and Awe®
Stay the Course®
The Surge!®

When do we get to see the powerpoint presentation for the latest plan?


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MisterOpus1
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Shock and Awe®
Stay the Course®
The Surge!®

When do we get to see the powerpoint presentation for the latest plan?


Don't forget with Judicial appointees - they had:

Upperdownvote®

Of course the Dems. use the same marking for a nonbinding resolution on Iraq tomorrow and last week, but the Republicans yelled "COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!!!" and won't allow a vote on the floor.

Strangely, John McCain, one of the principle supporters of the surge will be inconspicuously absent from that vote for cloture and will be campaigning in Iowa instead. Not that he has a little history of being absent from voting on this topic or anything. But I really do wonder why the GOP refuses to allow such a debate and vote on the topic? I wonder why they would be so forceful against their own Upperdownvote® trademark?:

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The debate should not be about the surge or its details. This debate should not even be about the Iraq war to date, mistakes that have been made, or whether we can, or cannot, win militarily. If we let Democrats force us into a debate on the surge or the current situation in Iraq, we lose.

http://majorityleader.house.gov/doc...arColleague.pdf


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