Guys,

Just popped back for a quick read... and noticed the following.

Many of you end up negotiating slots at hip hop nights. Why the hell do some of you continue to do this to yourselves?!

Playing a night even if you are playing what's in the music policy can be hard enough as it is and you may get your ego knocked down a whole bunch of times due to all the stupid folk you get out there.

The other thing is this...
If I go to a trance night and in the middle of the set they stick on a Hip Hop DJ, am I going to enjoy that? I might appreciate his skill but it would do nothing for my vibe or the vibe of the other punters in the club.

I understand Hip Hop crowds who get frustrated by another genre because that isn't why they wanted to be at the venue.

Think logically guys for crying out loud!!!!

Cheers

Nem

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You gotta take what you can get. The reality is a lot of places, trance and other EDM is not really huge, and most owners will ask that you play this and that, so you're left either with no gig or suck it up and figure out how to work it.

the problem is that people listening to hip-hop in general they don't care about the music itself, they just like pop stuff, MTV Music, and what's "cool at the moment".

If you play for this people they will get angry, hip-hop crowds hate EDM.
Well maybe you cvould play some madonna Remixes, they call that House, butit's still pop, you can onyl play pop for them.

I have played for Rock crowds, and it's different, beacuise these people are there for the music, and some are more open when they listen to EDM.

It depends on the genre, and if the place you are going to be there ispeople who are there for themusic itself, or people who are there just to be cool.

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I agree with Nem. Myself and the people I'm associated with whenever we are booked it is with the understanding that we're playing EDM all night long. It doesn't always work out. Sometimes the manager will say he likes the music but he wants you to throw in some hip-hop. To that we will always say thank you for the opportunity to do business with you but we cannot meet your request. It would be in your best interest and our best interest to find others that will. I'm not going to go through the trouble to promote a night to my kind of crowd and then have them show up and become upset when the hip hop starts playing.

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I think the difference here is whether you're stepping out and playing hip hop at a hip hop night, or playing trance at a hip hop night.

Loads of people on here seem to end up doing the latter and the problem is a lot of promoters will say "yeah it's fine, that'll work" when they don't really know their own crowd.

But if you can pull of playing hip hop and you're after a bit of experience reading a crowd, go for it. You just make yourself look stupid if you don't play the right kinda music for the night, even if the promoter did say it would be ok...

At the end of the day, why do you want to get gigs? For money? if you're scrounging around trying to find gigs and have to drop to that to get them, the chances are you're getting fuck all, if anything. Cos you enjoy it? Believe me, watching a dancefloor empty, knowing you haven't got any music with you to fill it again isn't fun at all. To further your DJing career? If the crowd don't like it, it reflects worse on you than the promoter... it's not gonna help you.

It'd be slightly different if a promoter approached you saying "I really wanna try sticking a trance DJ on!" cos the chances are he'd promote that, but even then I'd be wary.

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yeah both views are valid...

Some people just don't get enough opportunities, even if their mixes are quiete good... some places just don't appreciate EDM. Or you need to know drug dealers to get a gig (no kidding)....

At the same time, the hip-hop ppl don't want this "techno shit"...

really a sad scenario, all u can do is find other DJs like u, and start ur own events, and make SURE they are successful.

It all depends. Some gigs are just WORK. You may not enjoy it but it pays well... house parties, birthdays etc.

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I think playing breakbeat, drum n' bass or techno might go over well at a hip hop night, and house (particularly electro house), but trance or progressive house or the more melodic or serious forms might not. I think when you get stuff that is a lil' closer to hip hop...your more likely to have people enjoy it.

i'll just play hip hop.

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id attempt to play drum n bass

cant really go wrong with that

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I dont believe its a matter of the style of music but its more stuff they know. They know the top40s and the artists. You can get away with edm remixes of pop songs.

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Why do people rush to mention commercial stuff with Hip Hop? A commercial crowd wont like a proper hip hop night and visa versa.

If you are going to play a Hip Hop gig, play Hip Hop... Otherwise people will only remember you as being crap.

I saw Benny Bennassi drop a snoop dog track in the middle of an elecroish house set, he dropped it well from a technical point of view but it still went down like a ton of bricks because people were not feeling it.

Drum n' Bass is no sure way to fix anything either.

You have to know who you are playing for plain and simple and if you don't then you are not doing your job as a DJ.

Cheers
Nem

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