here comes the flame war.

i'd like to start it off..regardless of what he did 5 years ago..
Oakenfold now sux ass

I don't think much if it is intended to be taken literally. If I say a DJ/Producer is shit, it doesn't mean I don't think he has any mixing or production skills etc....just that compared to other DJ/Producers that I like, he's not up to much.

e.g. Jules. I often say how I think he's crap but that doesn't mean I think I could mix better than him. I once said a tune made me come in my pants but needless to say, there wasn't a sticky load in the washing machine the next day.

I think the main problems are

a) People take things too seriously. Too many times you see somebody say somebody elses favorite DJ is crap and they go off on one big time....
b) People not respecting others opinions. If somebody says they don't like a certain DJ they're immediatly labeled by that DJ's fans as trying to be cool by dissing him, or that if they had a better understanding of music then they would appreciate him more....

Bollox to that.

i say everything sucks, so don't pay attention to me. I did not get the nickname the critic by accident. Oakenfold was the man in 1999, so he has a place in tta's top dj box with an asterisk that says old fave.

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Originally posted by Spad I don't think much if it is intended to be taken literally. If I say a DJ/Producer is shit, it doesn't mean I don't think he has any mixing or production skills etc....just that compared to other DJ/Producers that I like, he's not up to much. e.g. Jules. I often say how I think he's crap but that doesn't mean I think I could mix better than him. I once said a tune made me come in my pants but needless to say, there wasn't a sticky load in the washing machine the next day. I think the main problems are a) People take things too seriously. Too many times you see somebody say somebody elses favorite DJ is crap and they go off on one big time.... b) People not respecting others opinions. If somebody says they don't like a certain DJ they're immediatly labeled by that DJ's fans as trying to be cool by dissing him, or that if they had a better understanding of music then they would appreciate him more.... Bollox to that.

i dont have a problem with people voicin their opinions...jus that i hate seein people fightin over comments like dat...its stupid...i kno people dont mean that the person is shit...jus too many people automatically jumpin on that person and tellin them to shutup...thas it...lol...its not like i care that theres so many topics like that...just the arguements that come out of it...lol...i jus want people to realize that every DJ or producer is great for what they do...

Hehe I can really see this evolve into a flame session ... oh well.

First:
DJing is not very difficult. Anybody with some musical talent and some time on their hands can learn to spin records quite well within six months. There is a small army of DJs who aren't well known and who don't demand superstar treatment and exorbitant fees just to stand behind the decks for two hours and play cheesy tunes from three years ago. There is a great number of talented producers who bring out amazing tunes yet aren't getting signed onto labels. Then you have "superstar" DJs who perform night after night in front of paying audience and they deliver below average performances. Please explain me why should the partypeople continue to accept that?

Second:
Everybody has a right to diss the performer. Freedom of speech. I agree that if you just say that such-and-such DJ sucks, nobody will take you seriously and you will seem like a juvenile 12 year old kid who is trying to act all tough hiding behind the screen. On the other hand, there is much constructive criticism on this topic, which should be embraced and encouraged. Why not criticise a DJ who just played a horrible set? If you are getting paid thousands of dollars to play records then there should be no excuse for poor performance. Something that always bothers me is when people say that "yeah, he just had a bad night ... he's only human ... " and such. Emptying a dancefloor is something that should NOT happen to DJs of that caliber, regardless how off they might be at a particular party.

Well ... to avoid any further ramblings ... it appears that many a DJ right now is enjoying a fame trip based on performances many years ago. People are just too blinded by all the CD releases and remixes that they fail to realise the lack of quality and passion in their performances.

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Originally posted by skywarp Hehe I can really see this evolve into a flame session ... oh well. Second: Everybody has a right to diss the performer. Freedom of speech. I agree that if you just say that such-and-such DJ sucks, nobody will take you seriously and you will seem like a juvenile 12 year old kid who is trying to act all tough hiding behind the screen. On the other hand, there is much constructive criticism on this topic, which should be embraced and encouraged. Why not criticise a DJ who just played a horrible set? If you are getting paid thousands of dollars to play records then there should be no excuse for poor performance. Something that always bothers me is when people say that "yeah, he just had a bad night ... he's only human ... " and such. Emptying a dancefloor is something that should NOT happen to DJs of that caliber, regardless how off they might be at a particular party. Well ... to avoid any further ramblings ... it appears that many a DJ right now is enjoying a fame trip based on performances many years ago. People are just too blinded by all the CD releases and remixes that they fail to realise the lack of quality and passion in their performances.

...i kno...i jus hate the fact that people take it a little overboard...like i said...i dont have a problem with people voicin their opinions...just dont be like...damn this guy really really sux and then two days later be all like...wow...he fuckin rocks!!!...a good DJ is a consistent DJ...

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Originally posted by skywarp Hehe I can really see this evolve into a flame session ... oh well. First: DJing is not very difficult. Anybody with some musical talent and some time on their hands can learn to spin records quite well within six months. There is a small army of DJs who aren't well known and who don't demand superstar treatment and exorbitant fees just to stand behind the decks for two hours and play cheesy tunes from three years ago. There is a great number of talented producers who bring out amazing tunes yet aren't getting signed onto labels. Then you have "superstar" DJs who perform night after night in front of paying audience and they deliver below average performances. Please explain me why should the partypeople continue to accept that? Second: Everybody has a right to diss the performer. Freedom of speech. I agree that if you just say that such-and-such DJ sucks, nobody will take you seriously and you will seem like a juvenile 12 year old kid who is trying to act all tough hiding behind the screen. On the other hand, there is much constructive criticism on this topic, which should be embraced and encouraged. Why not criticise a DJ who just played a horrible set? If you are getting paid thousands of dollars to play records then there should be no excuse for poor performance. Something that always bothers me is when people say that "yeah, he just had a bad night ... he's only human ... " and such. Emptying a dancefloor is something that should NOT happen to DJs of that caliber, regardless how off they might be at a particular party. Well ... to avoid any further ramblings ... it appears that many a DJ right now is enjoying a fame trip based on performances many years ago. People are just too blinded by all the CD releases and remixes that they fail to realise the lack of quality and passion in their performances.

Skywarp -- excellent post!
I agree with everything you said.

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Good Point!!!

hmmmmmmmm...this will prob escalate into something bigger i'm guessing.....everybody is entitled to their own opinions

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Originally posted by thewarpbrothers hmmmmmmmm...this will prob escalate into something bigger i'm guessing.....everybody is entitled to their own opinions

yeaaah, i see that coming.

p.s. don't diss tiesto!

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wellll i wouldnt say oakie SUCKS now, a lot of perfecto releases now SURE DO blow, suck, lick arse...
we haven't heard much of oakie in the last half year aside from his EM, so can't really say much.

unless you saw him recently and expected to hear full on trance, and he gave you breaks.. heh.. but then i dont even think its that bad, just not the 99 oakie.

but there CANT be a '99' ANYONE, cuz trance isnt the same as back then!
i mean cmon, everyone was playing amazing tunes like transa - supernova and tekara - breathe in you, even nick warren! and now nick warren is almost exclusively house-to-proggyness.

so ysee, everyone changes over time. i dont mind the breaks from oakie, its a decent change of pace..

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