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R!CH
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Registered: Sep 2004
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After Pat's Birthday



Editor’s note: Kevin Tillman joined the Army with his brother Pat in 2002, and they served together in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pat was killed in Afghanistan on April 22, 2004. Kevin, who was discharged in 2005, has written a powerful, must-read document.




It is Pat’s birthday on November 6, and elections are the day after. It gets me thinking about a conversation I had with Pat before we joined the military. He spoke about the risks with signing the papers. How once we committed, we were at the mercy of the American leadership and the American people. How we could be thrown in a direction not of our volition. How fighting as a soldier would leave us without a voice… until we got out.

Much has happened since we handed over our voice:

Somehow we were sent to invade a nation because it was a direct threat to the American people, or to the world, or harbored terrorists, or was involved in the September 11 attacks, or received weapons-grade uranium from Niger, or had mobile weapons labs, or WMD, or had a need to be liberated, or we needed to establish a democracy, or stop an insurgency, or stop a civil war we created that can’t be called a civil war even though it is. Something like that.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow our elected leaders were subverting international law and humanity by setting up secret prisons around the world, secretly kidnapping people, secretly holding them indefinitely, secretly not charging them with anything, secretly torturing them. Somehow that overt policy of torture became the fault of a few “bad apples” in the military.

Somehow back at home, support for the soldiers meant having a five-year-old kindergartener scribble a picture with crayons and send it overseas, or slapping stickers on cars, or lobbying Congress for an extra pad in a helmet. It’s interesting that a soldier on his third or fourth tour should care about a drawing from a five-year-old; or a faded sticker on a car as his friends die around him; or an extra pad in a helmet, as if it will protect him when an IED throws his vehicle 50 feet into the air as his body comes apart and his skin melts to the seat.

Somehow the more soldiers that die, the more legitimate the illegal invasion becomes.

Somehow American leadership, whose only credit is lying to its people and illegally invading a nation, has been allowed to steal the courage, virtue and honor of its soldiers on the ground.

Somehow those afraid to fight an illegal invasion decades ago are allowed to send soldiers to die for an illegal invasion they started.

Somehow faking character, virtue and strength is tolerated.

Somehow profiting from tragedy and horror is tolerated.

Somehow the death of tens, if not hundreds, of thousands of people is tolerated.

Somehow subversion of the Bill of Rights and The Constitution is tolerated.

Somehow suspension of Habeas Corpus is supposed to keep this country safe.

Somehow torture is tolerated.

Somehow lying is tolerated.

Somehow reason is being discarded for faith, dogma, and nonsense.

Somehow American leadership managed to create a more dangerous world.

Somehow a narrative is more important than reality.

Somehow America has become a country that projects everything that it is not and condemns everything that it is.

Somehow the most reasonable, trusted and respected country in the world has become one of the most irrational, belligerent, feared, and distrusted countries in the world.

Somehow being politically informed, diligent, and skeptical has been replaced by apathy through active ignorance.

Somehow the same incompetent, narcissistic, virtueless, vacuous, malicious criminals are still in charge of this country.

Somehow this is tolerated.

Somehow nobody is accountable for this.

In a democracy, the policy of the leaders is the policy of the people. So don’t be shocked when our grandkids bury much of this generation as traitors to the nation, to the world and to humanity. Most likely, they will come to know that “somehow” was nurtured by fear, insecurity and indifference, leaving the country vulnerable to unchecked, unchallenged parasites.

Luckily this country is still a democracy. People still have a voice. People still can take action. It can start after Pat’s birthday.





Brother and Friend of Pat Tillman,

Kevin Tillman


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how will faux news spin this one?


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wow.
powerful words there.


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CND
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Why are you posting this in two forums?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...p?s=&forumid=66


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Re: Pat Tillman's brother speaks out on US government

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how will faux news spin this one?

unfortunately by not giving it air time. they wont even mention it. its a sad reality.


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gehzumteufel
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quote:
Originally posted by CND
Why are you posting this in two forums?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...p?s=&forumid=66

because some people dont venture to other forums!


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because he wants the most replies possible.

or because dare to say half of this forum does not venture outside "USA WEST COAST"


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quote:
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Why are you posting this in two forums?

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...p?s=&forumid=66


because i'm a liberal flagburning terrorist traitor?


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Great read. Thanks.

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CND
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quote:
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because i'm a liberal flagburning terrorist traitor?


Why are you flaming?

Just asked why you posted this in the west coast events forum and the political forum. Thats all. Isn't that the purpose of having a political forum on Tranceaddict in the first place? I pop in there all the time. I suggest others do to.

Relax.


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Because maybe he wanted to see what people he knew thought about the subject. 95% of us never even touch that forum. Hell, I didn't even know it existed.

You are in the 5% who do touch that forum, it looks like.

And then there's the fact that people who don't live on the west coast don't come on this board, so that board was appropriate to get a view of people he didn't know. From people in other parts of the country or the world.

It happens all the time on these boards. Why make a point of it. Get over it!

It's not a big deal.

Dave

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R!CH
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quote:
Originally posted by CND
Why are you flaming?

Just asked why you posted this in the west coast events forum and the political forum. Thats all. Isn't that the purpose of having a political forum on Tranceaddict in the first place? I pop in there all the time. I suggest others do to.

Relax.


flaming? i'm joking.... relax dude. it just seemed with that being the only reaction you had to the article that you were trying to make an issue out of a nonissue to deride tillman's criticisms. i was just trying to see where you were going with it

i posted it in the west coast forum because this is the forum i post in with the people i know, and i posted it in the politics forum because no one ever goes in there but it's relevant.


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good read.


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