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nbzie
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Registered: Sep 2006
Location: New York
minor imperfections in promo mix

are minor imperfections ok in a demo CD that you will hand out? I've made a mix and I'm pretty happy with the track selection and flow. I think most of the mixing is fine but since I am kind of a perfectionist I've noticed a few things that I wish I could alter slightly ( like turning the High's down slightly during one mix or fading out a song a couple seconds sooner or bringing in the bass sooner).

None of this stuff really interfers with the mix ( i don't think).

Anyway I know that we are our own biggest critics and I'm able to hear these differences more than someone else since I made the mix but should it be totally 100% flawless?

Do people really scrutinize the mixing when listening to demos? Again the mixing is fine.....its when I lean in next to my speakers and pay close attention that I notice these tiny things

Has anyone had this experience before? Thanks for your input!

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phyrrus
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Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Rio de Janeiro, RJ

I think it depends on who you are giving the mix to. club owners probably won't care about something that small because they aren't DJ connoisseurs, they just want to be sure you are competent enough to keep people dancing.

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Inertia
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Registered: Jul 2002
Location: Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic

if you REALLLLLLY need to change something, you can always...

*this post only apt for DJs who suffer of OCD*

well, this is a bit complicated to explain, although not so much to do. lets start from the top.

if you have CDJs, you are in luck. whenever you record, try and write down the tracks, and the pitch you played it at. then, when you listen, you know what track was at what tempo.

now, say you wanted to change something in a mix, decided to include another track, or take one out.

grab the track that you mix into for the mix you would like to change. try to get your levels as near as it was when you recorded (by a rule, try to always record near +0dB) and get it at the same pitch. pick a part you really recognize of a track, like a big kick after a breakdown or something.

play it, and mix what you wanna mix. then, in a wave editor, you can edit the 2 mixes and add/remove what you want. this will take some practice, some trial and error, but if you look for a particular part of the track, you can make the edits seemless.

now, if you don't have the pitches written down, what you can do is:

put a copy of your demo CD in your CDJ/play it off you computer into your mixer, and beatmatch the track on vinyl/CD to the one from the mix. voila, it's pitched just like it's supposed to be. then, do the same for the next track, and you now have them both pitched quite near identical as to in the mix. record your altered mix, and then edit it in with a wave editor.

it is kind of cheating. i developed this method one day i was pissed off because since i live in a 3rd world country, the power dies often, and even though i have a generator, the PC might blink when the power dies, ruining the recording. now, i can just sort of pick up where i left off with this. also kicks ass for when you've recorded a monster set so far, but need to take a crap or do something important and whatnot.

it's really easy after a couple tries, but sort of tedious. but if that mix is REALLY bugging you and you MUST change it, why not?


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miamitranceman
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Location: Miami

quote:
Originally posted by phyrrus
I think it depends on who you are giving the mix to. club owners probably won't care about something that small because they aren't DJ connoisseurs, they just want to be sure you are competent enough to keep people dancing.



I agree. As long as you don't really have any galloping horses you're prob. okay I'd imagine.


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Wisnia
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Location: Montreal

IF you cant record a mix that fully satisfies you then maybe you are not ready to give your promos out yet?


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Yohan
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IF you cant record a mix that fully satisfies you then maybe you are not ready to give your promos out yet?

To a degree, you're right. But some are just perfectionists and even minor screw ups annoy them and the entire mix is 'not good enough'


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Location: Perth, Australia

I'm the same, the amount of times ive made a promo and had one lil bit that coulda been better and not used the promo is getting rather annoying. Eventually u'll get it so perfect, you'll be so proud of urself, and then u'll know it was all worth it

Keep at it! Dont aim for anything less then perfection


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chimchim
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Registered: Jul 2006
Location: Mt Laurel, NJ

see that is kinda why i record almost every time i practice... cause if i go to record a demo i usually get too paranoid or try to be too perfect and i end up screwin it up..so it could take me days just to get it the way i want to sound, but since ive started to record more and more.. ive gotten more used to it and all my demos have been 1,000 times better since then....


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Jarvmeister
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Trancentral

If you aren't happy with it then it's not time to dish it out.

Simple.

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nbzie
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Registered: Sep 2006
Location: New York

Thanks for the responses!

I think ill record a few more times and see how it goes.

What do you think about editing your mix together.....like recording a few times and splicing together the parts from each one that you like together.

I don't like think and think its kind of cheating. Is doing this common? I would think it would be frowned upon

Thanks

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Inertia
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apparently you didn't even bother to read my post.


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nbzie
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Location: New York

i did read it......just trying to get other people's opinions

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