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MisterOpus1
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China: Rice sucks

Not the edible kind grown in fields, that is:

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U.S.'s two divergent foreign policy lines in contention
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The foreign policy of the United States resembles an iron plate to outsiders, and it seems consistent with a single theory for so many years. In fact, this is not true. In case of the foreign policy pursued by President George W. Bush, it was guided by new conservatism during his first term of office, which was coupled with uni-polarity, preemptive attack and appeal to arms, and led to a frequent change of powers in some countries; and this policy rant rampant at times but with little effect.

With Condoleezza Rice assuming as the secretary of state during the second term, Bush began readjusting his foreign policy, again heeding the role of the United Nations, stepping up consultations with allies and other big powers with a sway shown from uni-polarity to multi-polarity. Outwardly, the diplomacy of Rice is poles apart from that of his predecessor. But from careful analysis, one can see the diplomacy has not returned to the traditional realistic track without effecting a through transformation.

The report of the "Iraq Study Group" co-chaired by former Secretary of State James A. Baker and Democrat Lee H. Hamilton, nevertheless, gives expression to the dividing line between the two divergent foreign policies. The most eminent disparity focuses on whether or not to have contact with Iran and Syria. The contacting proposal by the study group confronted Rice with a query. And she capitalized on the opportunity to denounce in stern words the two nations for their backing of terrorism.

The second obvious disparity is whether the US foreign policy should be focused on the values or practical interest. Both the starting point and ending point of the study report are how to stabilize the situation in Iraq and in the Middle East at large, so as to enable the U.S. to get away with dignity. There was no mention of the "great strategic goals" of turning Iraq into a "democratic example" and the "Greater Middle-East Initiative" in the report, and so it is out of tune with Rice's "transformative diplomacy," in which she proposes hosting the banner of "democracy and freedom" for "democratic" remolding of the Middle-East nations.

The two opposing foreign policy lines have their own originalities with different historical backgrounds. James Backer, co-chairman of the Iraq Study Group, was the Secretary of State under former US President George Bush. Baker was initiator and executor of the realistic diplomacy during his term of office, and he stood for equilibrium of regional powers and gives importance to the maneuvering and negotiation in diplomatic strategy. Upon the release of his Iraq Study Report, Baker said the stability of Iraq also conforms to the interests of Iran and Syria. Therefore, he noted, the two nations were also the objects to win over. Since it could negotiate with its sworn foe the former Soviet Union during the cold war era, why can't the U.S. today have a try to talk with Iran and Syria, since Iran lent a helping hand to the U.S. during the Afghanistan War and Syria sided with it during the Gulf War. Even if the talks fail, the U.S. will have nothing to lose and why doesn't it have a try?

In the view of Rice, for the countries of a different kind like Iran and Syria, they have only to be contained or assaulted if they are not targeted for military strikes and an ensuing change of power as advocated by new conservatism. Despite lusters added to her diplomacy, she rejects compromises. Her diplomatic practice has apparent intrinsic traces from new conservatism in her propositions for pursuit of "isolated diplomacy", "sanction diplomacy" and "confrontation diplomacy". This point was self-evident in the "Israel-Lebanon conflict" occurred in the summer of 2006, for Rice had not abandoned a dream of achieving her "Great Middle-East Initiative" with military strikes.

Consequently, "idealism" represents another connotation of Rice's foreign policy line. "The Middle-East has suffered for 60 years from a freedom deficit," Rice said. "It has suffered from the absence of legitimate channels for political expression. It has suffered from the absence of democratic change at a time when the entire rest of the world... has moved to democratic structures."

People seem to see the explicit dividing lines between the two opposing foreign policy lines from the above remarks of Rice's. Veteran diplomat James A. Baker, aware of the complexity and transferability of the relations between the foes and friends and the necessity for comprise, advocates a multi-polar diplomacy with a diplomatic equilibrium and proposes taking an international line, in an attempt to return the adventurous US diplomacy to the traditional track of realism. And Rice, however, has moved along the double track of new conservatism and idealism, which inclines to divide the world habitually into either black or white, either as friends or enemies with such options simplified as either "claiming friendship with them" or "meting out telling blows to them."

To date, patience is still needed to go on observing and studying with composure developments of the United States' two divergent foreign policy lines in contention.

(Translated by the People's Daily On-line. The author Li Xuejiang is chief correspondent of the People's Daily stationed in the U.S.)

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/2...226_335968.html


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Lilith
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In the view of Rice, for the countries of a different kind like Iran and Syria, they have only to be contained or assaulted if they are not targeted for military strikes and an ensuing change of power as advocated by new conservatism. Despite lusters added to her diplomacy, she rejects compromises. Her diplomatic practice has apparent intrinsic traces from new conservatism in her propositions for pursuit of "isolated diplomacy", "sanction diplomacy" and "confrontation diplomacy". This point was self-evident in the "Israel-Lebanon conflict" occurred in the summer of 2006, for Rice had not abandoned a dream of achieving her "Great Middle-East Initiative" with military strikes.

Consequently, "idealism" represents another connotation of Rice's foreign policy line. "The Middle-East has suffered for 60 years from a freedom deficit," Rice said. "It has suffered from the absence of legitimate channels for political expression. It has suffered from the absence of democratic change at a time when the entire rest of the world... has moved to democratic structures."


I highlighted the interesting points I could understand best, in essence the US policy of diplomacy and foreign relations-
Contain them with sanctions, military action or threat of military action and do not under any circumstances negotiate with them because that would be a compromise to US interests.
Ok, be hard if you will but not willing to negotiate seems to more or less can the idea of bothering to actually talk in the first place and most people have better things to do than sit around, talk about the weather and have a cup of tea when theyre a diplomat.

Which brings us to the second paragraph there.
freedom deficit
What a 'quaint' euphamism they make these days, reminds me of dietary deficientcies to describe someone starving. Anyway, what the whole point of this paragraph illustrates is the fact that there is according to US diplomacy no alternative governments other than a democratic one and if your current country isnt a democracy like the US youre just being oppressed.
In which case the US would like to make you 'free' but theyre unwilling to talk to you about changing in the first place because that would be a compromise to US interests.
So instead they 'contain' them: now am I wrong here in thinking thats sort of the opposite of 'freedom'?
Ok so we've contained the country under the pretense of freedom, we're not talking to them which only really leaves one logical alternative here, which is to react in a way which is most unimpressed because we're being both restricted and playing no-speaks. Which invariably escalates to a show of force...

The US understands a show of force, its why they only really take places like China and Russia seriously, because theyre the only ones that can mount any necessary show of force not to be buggered around by US politics. Everyone else is either friends or enemies, except China and Russia who have a sharp stick that can poke you in the eye so thats not much fun.
Its not so much Cody sucks, I'm sure she's a clever girl at heart but when she's talking about dreams and idealism conflicting with reality and how its all so hard to put together in a way which makes sense illustrates just how bad she isn't helping matters.
I've got dreams, they keep me amused when reality comes crashing in and I live by my own ideals, however in the interests of diplomacy with my fellow humans I dont tend to go poking them in the eye to make them see what I think or locking them up in little cage so they can run around and starve, until of course they start chewing through the cage, running around the house and biting me!

But if they did start biting, I think I'd understand why.

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Q5echo
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i'm not sure where this world would be without democratic idealism.

i would hope it will never be abandoned.

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Lilith
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Probably doing what it was doing for the last however many years it was doing since the greeks invented it alongside everyone elses idealisms, monarchy's, anarchy's, tribal chieftans and extended families.

The point where idealism and reality have problems is that when the reality of the situation is, people going about their daily lives for better or worse and while they may not be living your 'ideal' life of political freedom. Then have people come crashing in from outside hollering "All this crap stops now!" and start shooting the place up it does very little to endear your ideals on them because. Firstly their lives which where rolling along for better or worse just got chucked on their asses, place is a mess and people they know (even the ones they didnt like very much) are getting killed or hurt.
Secondly, considering the option to voice such an objection hits a brick wall of "NOPE!" in no uncertain terms, they dont have a choice or that quintessential freedom at the most basic of levels to argue anything without resorting to violence.

Course, this isnt a failing of the current US administration, they've been doing this for ages.

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Q5echo
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well it only stands to reason that Opus agrees with China that democratic idealism sucks. i'm not sure why i'm suprised.

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Lilith
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Idealists generally suck dear, it's nothing personal but if you line up a dozen 'dreamers' who waffled and waxed lyrical about the world and it's ills, how to fix them, get a clever degree at uni and then blunder about through peoples lives with the subtlety of a drunk on skates.

Well, chances are you'd basically have a half dozen politicians and not a civil servent or charity worker.

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Q5echo
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quote:
Originally posted by Lilith
Idealists generally suck dear, it's nothing personal but if you line up a dozen 'dreamers' who waffled and waxed lyrical about the world and it's ills, how to fix them, get a clever degree at uni and then blunder about through peoples lives with the subtlety of a drunk on skates.


well, that may be true of ending "world hunger" or becoming a rock star but one only has to look at the supremacy of the Democratic successes of the last century and the subsequent fall of totalitarianism and fascism before that to realize that this international lanscape would look completely different without the lofty ideals laid down by the great democracies of the world and it's leaders. there is more work to be done and we are not without fault, of course, but what has been done must be assumed is the very best achievable without yet knowing anything better.

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Lilith
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Very best achievable?
Governments and especially democratic ones run on electing the most popular person (not the right person), the bare minimum of effort to get anything done after arguing about it for ages and then picking the lowest bidder to do the job. Then they'll find someone to fill the role of scapegoat when the faulty bits fall down on around them.
For the majority of democratic history its always been the old boys club, run by 'old boys' who kept it that way by keep women and people who where not of ethnic descent from voting for as long as possible.
In any other type of government it was much the same and just as cut throat but the world kept spinning, people lived, loved and worked under different systems.
To say 'What if' modern democracy and we're only going back about 100yrs didnt exist, is simply hypothetical. In all honesty I dont think its going to last a long time before tyranny and human nature reassert themselves.
It's just not in our nature to be fair to our fellow humans and everyone wants the top job, even if theyre not qualified worth a damn to do it.

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Q5echo
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you said it yourself, we're human. what else do we know?

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"The Middle-East has suffered for 60 years from a freedom deficit,"

LOL!

Oh no she dint'!

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"The Middle-East has suffered for 60 years from a freedom deficit,"


case in point: Iran

same for Lebanon. hell, before Afghanistan was ravaged by 25 yrs. of war brought on by outsiders it was actually a model for progressive oppurtunity.

Syria on the other hand has always been a shithole

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case in point: Iran

same for Lebanon. hell, before Afghanistan was ravaged by 25 yrs. of war brought on by outsiders it was actually a model for progressive oppurtunity.

Syria on the other hand has always been a shithole


Africa's, and imperial african imports, been suffering from a freedom deficit for 400 years!

Bring in the troops!

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