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shaolin_Z
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Wtf?!?

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Video Shows US Pilot Bombing UK Convoy in Iraq

The British newspaper the Sun has obtained video purportedly showing a U.S. pilot mistakenly bombing a British tank convoy in the early days of the war. A 25-year-old British soldier named Matty Hull died in the bombing. The video was purportedly taken from the cockpit of the US jet. The Bush administration classified the video as secret in an attempt to prevent its broadcast or from it ever being used in court.

Meanwhile the British death toll in Iraq has reached one hundred. A British soldier died on Monday in a roadside bombing in Basra.


Source: Democracy Now

I don't get it. I know the CIA was smuggling heroin during vietnam, while having full knowledge that it was being used by alot of soldiers too. Are they doing the same with crack in Iraq now!?!?


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shaolin_Z
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Whoops, guess I missed that.


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shaolin_Z
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Alright, this warrants another WTF?!?

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Armed US police could be on London streets

By Brendan Carlin and John Steele
Last Updated: 2:41am GMT 07/02/2007

Armed foreign police could patrol the streets of London during the 2012 Olympics under an unprecedented scenario outlined by one of Scotland Yard’s most senior officers.

Assistant Commissioner Tarique Ghaffur, the man in charge of security preparations for the Games and Britain’s most senior Muslim police officer, also raised the prospect of British troops being drafted in to help with the huge security challenges.

Security experts are privately debating how to protect the Olympics from terror attacks from Islamic extremist “jihadi” terrorists in London, especially in the wake of the 7/7 terrorist atrocities in London in which four British-born jihadi suicide bombers killed 52 people.

US and Israeli athletes would be among the principal potential terrorist targets, raising questions over whether the FBI and Israeli police would be allowed to operate in London.

Mr Ghaffur’s comments come amid predictions from the Conservatives that the security bill for the giant 2012 event could be as much as £1bn.

But last night, the possibility of using both armed foreign police and British forces appeared to catch the Department of Culture, Media and Sport by surprise last night. A DCMS spokesman declined to comment.

But the Tories reacted with fury to any suggestion of using UK troops or police officers from another country.

Hugh Robertson, the party’s Olympics spokesman, told The Daily Telegraph: “In my view, this is a job for the British police and solely for the British police.”

Mr Robertson, who served with the Life Guards in Northern Ireland, the Gulf and Bosnia, also ridiculed the idea that after Labour’s “infantry cutbacks”, there were any spare British troops in any case.

Tessa Jowell, the Culture, Media and Sport Secretary, has already admitted that in the light of the 7/7 terrorist attacks, the £190 million budget for Olympics security was “inadequate”.

Mr Robertson said yesterday: “Every security expert I have spoken to has said that the final bill will be closer to £1 billion.”

At the weekend, government sources indicated that the final security bill and by implication, the full security arrangements, would probably not be known for years.

But in an interview today with the Parliamentary Monitor, Mr Ghaffur raised the precedent of British police officers serving in Germany during the 2006 World Cup as one way of coping with the huge security challenge.

The Scotland Yard officer, who has a reputation for speaking his mind, said: “We may have to change some constitutional positions, like, do we bring in some foreign police officers to work here like they did in Germany.

“Do we have armed officers accepted from other countries?”

Mr Ghaffur added: “In Germany, use of foreign officers to actually control and provide tactical or cultural advice to local police was very successful.

“I don’t think we should shy away from that. In a global environment, a capital city, international policing is a global family.”

He stressed that there need to be a “public discussion” about using armed police from abroad, before suggesting that Britain’s own Armed Forces might also have a role to play.

“To ensure we manage all contingencies, frankly, then the role, the support that the military and others can give us have to be considered as part of the planning,” he said.

Mr Ghaffur indicated, though, that the military’s contribution would be in the background – not visibly on the streets.

“What I am reasonably sure of is that I am not looking for the military visibly at the moment. I am not looking for them visibly complementing our effort – it may be slightly different in China,” he added, in a reference to the 2008 Beijing Games.

But he stressed the need for public approval, saying: “The starting point is always we police with the consent and co-operation of the community.”

Last night, Scotland Yard insisted that Mr Ghaffur was merely raising the issue of foreign policing for debate. The issues, particularly using armed officers, were “very much up in the air” and ultimately a political decision, a spokesman said.

The use of unarmed English officers in Germany for the World Cup, to re-assure law-abiding fans and spot trouble-makers, was regarded as a success.

However, police sources predicted that allowing gun-carrying officers into London from nations where all officers are armed could raise significant legal issues.

The use of firearms in the UK is ruled by the legal principle of “reasonable force.” Any outside officers would have to apply by British law.

The Olympic Delivery Authority will today formally submit planning applications for the giant Olympic Park at Stratford, east London.

Source: London Telegraph


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In regards to Article #1: Since the incident happened in the very early days of the war, it's possible that the British convoy might have been mistaken for one of Saddam's military convoys.


In regards to Article #2 So what?

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Dopey
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Re: Wtf?!?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Source: Democracy Now

I don't get it. I know the CIA was smuggling heroin during vietnam, while having full knowledge that it was being used by alot of soldiers too. Are they doing the same with crack in Iraq now!?!?


you are delusional if you think this type of shit does not happen all the time with every army that exists. the big story here is that the US military denied the existence of the tape. there have been UK on UK friendly fire deaths as well.

insane that you are surprised or agitated by this, that is war my man, that is war. that is what happens when you send 200,000 armed men of any nationality anywhere.

what is interesting to me is the idiotic idea to use orange paneling to convey that you are a "friendly" tank/vehicle. whoever thought of that needs to go back to 3rd grade, and whichever CO approved it, needs to be locked up for manslaughter.

the pilot checked British positions before engaging, he was told there were no friendly troops as far north as his location. even if he saw orange paneling (he says on the tape he sees orange rockets mounted on the vehicles), an Iraqi convoy could have put orange paneling on their vehicles because of this retarded mandate of orange paneling friendly forces. if I was an Iraqi commander, that would be the first thing I would do.


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if you watch the entire tape, you can hear one of the Ground Cammands pipe in a few seconds after the target was hit, stating that there were freindlies in the area. listen to the dread in the pilots voice after realizing what happend.

sad really

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Sad indeed, it would be hard to face yourself after a mistake like that. But when you're cleared to fire, from the air, you fire. Pilots providing close air support have saved many, MANY more lives than they cost. Just depressing whenever this sort of thing happens, and really depressing if the US state department thinks so little of her allies that it won't release this sort of information when requested. I say "if" with emphasis because i do not know the whole story, however if that is the case, Shame on us.

As for the second article: I think it's a brilliant idea. If it provides a cost effective measure for Breat Britain to provide the highest level of security, why not go for it? Police Officers are professionals, especially the type of police that would be recruited for this endeavor. And you have to concede that American's would probably be more at home strapped in Britain than most Brits NRA FTW!

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