it is possible Iran accounted for the possibility that the weapons would get seized and printed western dating on the weapons bound for Iraq

not saying that is the case, but certainly something to consider

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Originally posted by Dopey it is possible Iran accounted for the possibility that the weapons would get seized and printed western dating on the weapons bound for Iraq not saying that is the case, but certainly something to consider

Yeah, could be, but can the US afford to get in to another conflict on a "Could Be"? Thats a gamble that I do not want to lose a single american life over.

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America Clutches at Iranian Arms // A New Argument Found in Iraq for War Against Iran Yesterday Tehran categorically denied information pointing to its involvement in supplies of arms to Iraq. The statement from the Iranian side came after American military spokesmen in Baghdad unveiled examples of Iranian weapons that had been seized in Iraq. The attempt to blame Iran for America's failures in Iraq was met with bewilderment not only in Tehran but by leading Democrats in the US Congress. Many observers believe that the Bush administration is merely continuing its search for a pretext on which to go to war against Iran. Iranian Explosives Versus American Armor Sunday's demonstration of the "Iranian trophies" took place in strictest confidence in Baghdad's heavily-fortified Green Zone, where the American general headquarters is located. The members of the media who were invited to the presentation were forbidden to take photographs or videos of the objects on display, and no recording devices were allowed. The journalists were also not informed of the names of the military experts and representatives of the American command in Iraq who spoke at the press conference. However, the organizers of the conference furnished the assembled journalists with illustrated materials about Iran's "subversive role" in Iraq, including CDs with photographs of examples of Iranian weapons that have been used against the American forces in Iraq. The American military spokesmen also pointedly asserted that the Iranian arms on display were only a small portion of the enormous arsenal that was produced in Iran and secretly funneled to Iraq. "There is a vast difference between what we know and what we can show," said one of the army's experts, adding that a more detailed disclosure could play into the hands of Iraqi insurgents. Among the Iranian weapons in the presentation were ground-to-air Mishag-1 rockets, grenades, pieces from 60-mm and 81-mm mortar launchers, and charges for launching mortars. The journalists were also shown photographs of boxes of Iranian dynamite that were labeled in Farsi and testimonials from two Iranians from the elite Kuds unit of the Revolutionary Guards who were arrested in northern Iraq during a raid by American forces on the town of Irbil. However, the centerpiece of the presentation was a new generation of shaped-charge projectile: a mine with extra-destructive explosive power that is filled with small copper pellets capable of piercing armor. According to the American experts, these Iranian-made devices are used by Iraqi militants to mine roads and have been employed to devastating effect against American Abrams tanks and armored Humvees. They are blamed for 170 of the 3,400 casualties suffered by US forces in Iraq since 2003. The Meaning of "Guided Chaos" According to the American side, the Iranian weapons that find their way to Iraq are being used to create a situation of "guided chaos" that is being controlled by Tehran. According to the explanations offered by the Americans, the elements of this guided chaos include attacks on American and Iraqi soldiers, stoking of tensions between Shi'ites and Sunnis, and terrorist acts against the civilian population, which are aimed at proving America's inability to ensure security in Iraq. Washington claims that Tehran's main goal in pursuing a strategy of guided chaos is to force the Bush administration to become ever more bogged down in Iraq. However, Iran's desire to influence the situation in its neighbor notwithstanding, observers in the region maintain that attempts to present Iran as the chief driving force behind the carnage in Iraq, as well as the source of the relentless wave of terrorism convulsing the country, is groundless. Independent observers have pointed out that, during the recent demonstration of Iranian weaponry found in Iraq, the American representatives relented slightly on Washington's previous position, which maintained that Shi'ite Iran was supposedly supporting the Sunni insurgents in Iraq, who have destroyed the largest number of American forces and equipment. According to the new version of events, the Iranian weapons are being supplied to the militants by the anti-American Shi'ite leader Muktada Sadr, who is in close contact with Iranian agents. Noting the flaws in the idea of "guided chaos," many Iraqi politicians point out that the US is becoming increasing concerned by the close ties between Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki and Tehran. "The Iraqi government does not consider Iran an enemy. The Americans are trying to prove to the Iraqis that they are speaking out against Iran not only because of its nuclear program but because of what is going on in Iraq," said Mahmoud Otman, a member of the Iraqi parliament. "There is no proof that the Iranian government is involved. The weapons could have been illegally smuggled into Iraq," said Iranian legislator Neda Sudani. According to the American side, the demonstration of Iranian weapons used by Iraqi insurgents was supposed to convince Baghdad to turn away from Tehran and to quit what the US sees as the unholy political partnership between Iran and Iraq. "It's All Untrue" As could have been expected, Tehran firmly denied the allegation that it is inflaming the conflict in Iraq and furnishing arms to Iraqi militants. "The statements made by the Americans over the last several months, claiming that Iran has something to do with the current woes in Iraq, are entirely groundless," said official Iranian Foreign Affairs Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini yesterday. Also yesterday Iran denied information that members of the international terrorist organization al-Qaeda are hiding on its territory. "At this moment, not a single member of al-Qaeda is in Iran. In the past several of them were being detained, deported, or jailed," said Iranian Intelligence Minister Qolamhoseyn Mohseni Ezhei in response to a report that appeared in the newspaper The Washington Post last week concerning the US administration's intent to accuse Iran of concealing the al-Qaeda operatives Suleiman Abu Ghaith and a son of Osama bin Laden. However, the circumstances that may prove most dampening for the Bush administration's fighting spirit were the critical responses from the US Congress to the demonstration of the Iranian arsenal. "I take all of this with a hefty dose of skepticism, given previous experience with similar operations," said Christopher Dodd, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, in a statement that reflected a widespread opinion among the Democrats. John Kerry, another well-known Democrat, said that although Iran's involvement in the situation in Iraq is beyond a doubt, it is necessary to talk the matter through with Iran rather than jump into a confrontation. In the opinion of observers, despite the absence of the necessary support from the Democrats, representatives from the Bush administration are going to continue their search for a pretext on which to attack Iran and are ready to go for the brass ring. That was made abundantly clear in a comment published last week in Newsweek from Hillary Mann, a former member of the US National Security Council: "They intend to be as provocative as possible and to force the Iranians to do something that will oblige America to retaliate," she said. An editorial in the same issue of Newsweek opined that "there is already a covert war between the US and Iran taking place in Iraq." European Union Introduces Sanctions Against Iran Yesterday the foreign ministers from the 27 countries of the EU agreed at a meeting in Brussels to impose sanctions against Iran in response to Tehran's refusal to cease work on uranium enrichment as demanded by UN Security Council resolution #1737, which was adopted in December of last year. The sanctions will take effect no earlier than the beginning of February, after the European Commission formally declares its intent to implement them. In a statement, the EU foreign ministers expressed their readiness to continue discussions with Tehran about international control over the Iranian nuclear program. "We are in favor of continuing a dialog, and Iran knows what we want to achieve," said senior EU representative for common foreign policy and security Javier Solana.

America Clutches at Iranian Arms

Now the US is trying to sell us that Iran is the only reason of their failure in Iraq. People, didn't we heard it somewhere earlier?

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How the US is doing Iran's killing in Iraq By Dahr Jamail and Ali al-Fadhily NAJAF, Iraq - New evidence is emerging on the ground of an Iranian hand in growing violence within Iraq, but not necessarily as the US claims Tehran is involved, that is, by providing arms to Shi'ite Muslim militants. The massacre in Najaf last month indicates that Iran could be working through the Iraqi government, local leaders in Najaf say. The killing of 263 people in Najaf by Iraqi and US forces on January 29 provoked outrage and vows of revenge among residents in and around the sacred Shi'ite city in the south. The killings have deepened a split among Shi'ites. Iran is predominantly Shi'ite, one of the two main groupings within Islam along with the Sunnis. Iraq has for the first time a Shi'ite-dominated government, comprising groups that have been openly supportive of Iran. The people killed in Najaf were mostly Shi'ites from the Hawatim tribe that opposes the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq as well as the Da'wa Party. These two pro-Iranian groups control the local government in Najaf and the central government in Baghdad. The Najaf attack has provoked strong reactions among members of the Hawatim tribe and among other Shi'ite groups who are not loyal to Iran - and who became the target in those killings. An attack on a local tribal leader led to an assault on members of the tribe by US, British and Iraqi forces. The tribe was described by government officials as a "messianic cult". Abid Ali, who witnessed the Najaf fighting, said a procession of about 200 pilgrims from the Hawatim tribe had arrived in the Zarqa area near Najaf to celebrate the Ashura festival. After a confrontation over the procession, Iraqi soldiers at a checkpoint shot dead Hajj Sa'ad Sa'ad Nayif al-Hatemi, chief of the tribe, as he and his wife sat in their car. Members of the tribe then attacked the checkpoint to avenge the death of their chief. "It was after this that the Iraqi army called in the Americans, and the planes began bombing civilians," Ali said. "It was a massacre. Now I believe internal Shi'ite fighting has entered a very dangerous phase." Ali said most people in the area believe the US military was told by Iraqi security forces loyal to the pro-Iranian government in Baghdad that "terrorists" or the "messianic cult" were attacking Najaf. They say the misinformation was intended to mislead occupation forces into attacking the tribe. Many Shi'ites in the southern parts of the country and in Baghdad now say they had been fooled earlier by US promises to help them, but that the Najaf massacre has dramatically changed their views. Significantly, the Association of Muslim Scholars, a group of Sunni Muslims headed by Dr Harith al-Dhari, issued a statement condemning the Iraqi-US military attack in Najaf against the Hawatim tribe. The statement, which seeks to bridge a Shi'ite-Sunni divide, denounced the killing of dozens of women and children and added, "It was an act of vengeance and political termination." Jaafar al-Jawadi, a political analyst from Baghdad, said the Americans "were misled, and their last move in Najaf shows how smart the Iranians are in leading the Americans deeper into the Iraqi sands". "I really admire the way the Iranians are dealing with the situation in a professional way while the Americans are walking with their eyes closed," Jawadi said. "They are losing the last Iraqi fort they were hiding behind, and that was the peaceful way Arab Shi'ites were dealing with the occupation." Jawadi, who is a former Shi'ite politician, said he once believed in US promises of liberation for Iraqis, particularly the Shi'ite population. Like many other Iraqis, he now believes that the United States has been used by the pro-Iranian government in Baghdad to carry out attacks against Shi'ite tribes in southern Iraq who have recently become more anti-occupation. Talib Ahmad, a lawyer and human-rights activist in Najaf, said, "I do not really understand what those Americans are doing because now they are just like an elephant in a china shop, and everything they do is terribly wrong, as if they are committing suicide. "Iran is benefiting from that for sure. Americans are simply fighting for Iran, which appears to be the winner in Iraq after all," said Ahmad. Many Iraqis are amazed at the unlimited support the US administration has been presenting to what many now call an Iranian-Iraqi government. The new US condemnation of Iran could be a first sign that the United States is getting wise to the fact that it is being fooled by Tehran. The US administration is, however, pointing the finger at Iran, and not at the government in Baghdad that it props up.

How the US is doing Iran's killing in Iraq

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Sorry I didn't ask you. Go create another stupid poll-thread on that and cry.

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Originally posted by star-traveller Sorry I didn't ask you. Go create another stupid poll-thread on that and cry.

Oh, so I can't add to your posts?? Even if the linked thread is additional info to your thread?? WEll I NEVER!!!!

I think the US is trying to make-up a fake proof of Iran's connection to Iraq and have a reason for the UN to attack it in the future.

Do you have anything to say on that topic?

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Originally posted by star-traveller Do you have anything to say on that topic?

you're grossly overestimating the UN's ability to attack anything?

look, you're a smart guy, but i think you and a lot of people, frankly have gotten themselves caught up in some group-think hype about Iran brought on by the media.

i know some of the stuff coming out of the administration about Iran is pretty scary, but we're not going to sit quietly about that shit either.

somebody is using some new shit to kill our soldiers and it sure as hell hasn't come from Iraq.

i say be smart and resolute about what you know and keep the public focus and pressure on Iran.

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Originally posted by star-traveller I think the US is trying to make-up a fake proof of Iran's connection to Iraq and have a reason for the UN to attack it in the future. Do you have anything to say on that topic?

again kid...... Read

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Originally posted by LazFX This Post is related to this........ The Iran Connection is a facade

damn they should really ban you for just being ignorant

Sort of ties into my suspicians that I mentioned there and the source I was looking at there.
Well, before it went to hell and name calling... such is PDD.
Think we're going to see some kind of action in Iran coming up to the nuke inspections deadline that ends either this week or next. Probably open up with UN sanctions if they're not playing nice and well all know the rest.