The reason clubs are always on the hitlist is because greedy politicians have made the rules so strict that its literally impossible not to somehow violate them. Why? So they can get their clammy hands on some of the money being made. Not only that, but in the downtown core they want the clubs out to make way for condos which bring in more CITY taxes than clubs do.

Example: Ontario liquor law states that a drunk patron may not be found in a licenced establishment.

Now tell me how ANY club, bar or restaurant can avoid harbouring drunk people. Thats like saying that wet people arent allowed at a pool.

The laws here are some of the tightest in the world when it comes to clubs and bars. And make no mistake about it, it's all about political control.. NOT your safety.

looks like someone is still bitter from the report Guv for overcrowding thread lol

you can argue it both ways. Politicians have proven to be greedy yes, but so have the bars too..greasing at the doors, inside the doors, etc.. there are examples in that AVB review thread of bouncers allowing access for special 'gratuities'.

Politicians have to be flexible and the bars have to have solid management respectful of its patrons, imo. In most cases, bars will end up bending over backwards vis-a-vis politicians, so I agree with you there.

I will not use the "G" word knowing that it'll lock this thread too

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Originally posted by Ravemontreal Once I took a piss in front of everybody at Stereo. Put the garbage under the mixer, and did it right there while people were dancing and screaming. people thought I was playing with the mixer but I was playing with my zizi.

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Originally posted by Enjoy a classic from the aria days: me: are you on TA? girl: uhhhh... im on speed

But politicians have the power to make greed into law. And then exploit that law for political gain. They can then twist those laws to make the clubs look like they are always at fault.

ie) that club is a bad bad place because they permit drunkeness and someone was smoking... it should be shut down or fined!

Meanwhile, isnt that what clubs were built for in the first place?

How this would sound in the real world.

"Pools are bad because they allow wet people and some of them use towels! they should be shut down or fined"

see my point?

btw the worst is how politicians spin their laws to make it look like they care about public safety when in reality they are laws enacted to assert more political control.

More political control = more revenue through fines, permit fees and greasing.

they cant stop us.....

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they have and they will...

mainly because no one here does anything about it

want proof that they can stop us?

check this out

http://www.king-spadina.com/CityDoc...wFeb14_2006.pdf

I saw the word 'erection' in that .pdf

Unfortunately, much of our generation is not politically savvy/interested in municipal politics and are too apathetic when it comes to voting. The politicians seem to be generally appeasing those who do not want nightclubs in their neighbourhoods/tourist destinations, with the so-called negative trappings that sometimes are associated with clubs, unfortunately (ie drunk driving, drug trade, noise pollution, physical assaults, etc). They are generally much older, more affluent, politically active and conservative than us, and thus carry more political clout. And of course developers carry more financial clout.. however, you'd be surprised at how difficult it is erect condos in the downtown core as well.

Every city needs a nightlife, there's no doubt about it. However,
some of these clubs need to clean up their act, imo, as it would just make it easier for municipalities to establish laws and erect condos in lieu of clubs, say, if something adverse were to happen due to - for example - overcrowding.

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Originally posted by Ravemontreal Once I took a piss in front of everybody at Stereo. Put the garbage under the mixer, and did it right there while people were dancing and screaming. people thought I was playing with the mixer but I was playing with my zizi.

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Originally posted by Enjoy a classic from the aria days: me: are you on TA? girl: uhhhh... im on speed

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Originally posted by Spin Laden I saw the word 'erection' in that .pdf Unfortunately, much of our generation is not politically savvy/interested in municipal politics and are too apathetic when it comes to voting. The politicians seem to be generally appeasing those who do not want nightclubs in their neighbourhoods/tourist destinations, with the so-called negative trappings that sometimes are associated with clubs, unfortunately (ie drunk driving, drug trade, noise pollution, physical assaults, etc). They are generally much older, more affluent, politically active and conservative than us, and thus carry more political clout. And of course developers carry more financial clout.. however, you'd be surprised at how difficult it is erect condos in the downtown core as well. Every city needs a nightlife, there's no doubt about it. However, some of these clubs need to clean up their act, imo, as it would just make it easier for municipalities to establish laws and erect condos in lieu of clubs, say, if something adverse were to happen due to - for example - overcrowding.

WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY I SAY IT IS UNWISE TO CALL POLITICIANS AND MEDIA TO WHINE ABOUT STUFF BECAUSE YOU ARE ONLY PLAYING INTO THEIR GAME.

What nightclubs and patrons needs to to is unite to form political clout of their own. But sadly the only thing people do around here is try to backstab each other so in the end we all lose and the old fart whiners and politicians get their way.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 What nightclubs and patrons needs to to is unite to form political clout of their own. But sadly the only thing people do around here is try to backstab each other so in the end we all lose and the old fart whiners and politicians get their way.

who's gonna represent the asian crackheads?

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Originally posted by Ravemontreal Once I took a piss in front of everybody at Stereo. Put the garbage under the mixer, and did it right there while people were dancing and screaming. people thought I was playing with the mixer but I was playing with my zizi.

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Originally posted by Enjoy a classic from the aria days: me: are you on TA? girl: uhhhh... im on speed

while i dont want to see our scene completely ruined, i think its completely wrong for you to suggest that we have to make the choice between

overcrowded, unsafe and overpriced nightlife VS no nightlife at all

and to compare these attributes to other places around the world and conclude that because its just as dangerous somewhere else in the world that makes it justified here is rediculus as well.