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is that means that any UFO's evidence'll happen inthe future

If most UFOs tend to be saucer shaped, we need to determine whether these structures hold merit from an engineering point of view. Aerodynamically, I assume that streamlined shape is most efficient to travel through a medium. None of the "earthly" aerospace vehicles are saucer shaped. Even in nature, we find that creatures that need to travel through a medium are streamlined. Maybe the saucer shape is perfect to travel at faster than speed of light, through warped space-time continuum. Who knows

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

Heres also an interesting development from Russia:

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1. Astronomers Margaret Turnbull and Jill Tarter of the Carnegie Institution in Washington, D.C., have compiled a list of 17,129 nearby stars most likely to have planets that could support complex life. Extraterrestrial forms of life may exist in the solar system too (nasa.gov) BREAKING NEWS Iran arrests 15 British sailors in Iraqi waters Knut, Berlin Zoo's polar bear baby, makes its public debut Russia mourns victims of three tragedies in which 176 were killed World's hairiest man finds his lifetime partner More... 2. Astronomer Frank Drake made the first scientific attempt to contact alien beings in 1960, when he used an 85-foot radio dish at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory in West Virginia to listen for signals from two nearby sunlike stars. 3. The more sophisticated efforts of the SETI Institute in Mountain View, California, haven't fared any better. Since 1995, this privately funded project has scanned more than 1,000 stars, at a cost of $5 million a year, for alien radio squeaks. 4. Download software from the SETI@home project to sift for alien signals on your home PC. 187,000 other people have. 5. Most likely spots for alien life in our solar system: underground refuges on Mars, hot spots on Saturn's moon Enceladus (whose south pole is dotted with geysers), and Jupiter's moons Europa and Callisto (whose icy crusts may conceal vast, underlying oceans of water). 6. Perhaps the earliest UFO sighting occurred in 1450 B.C., when Egyptians saw bright circles of light in the sky. Some UFO obsessives interpret Ezekiel: 1 in the Bible as a UFO report. 7. In a 2003 Harvard study, seven of 10 self-professed abductees stated under hypnosis that they had been used for breeding or sexual experiments by their alien captors. 8. Allan Cheyne, a psychologist at the University of Waterloo in Ontario, says that those who believe they've been abducted by aliens are often prone to experience sleep paralysis. 9. In space, no one can hear you sneeze: Streptococcus mitis, a bacterium that infects the nose and throat, was inadvertently sent to the moon aboard the Surveyor 3 probe. The bugs were still alive when Apollo 12 astronauts retrieved the probe's camera two and a half years later. 10. On September 30, 2006, the French Center for National Space Studies beamed Cosmic Connexion, a TV program aimed at extraterrestrials, at a sunlike star called Errai 45 light-years from Earth. The video should reach them in 2051. Source: Discover

Life should be a very common phenomenon in the universe. There are billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars.

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Originally posted by twilightki : It feels like something you'd listen to at 4 in the morning, or listen to in your car while you're going in a tunnel.

There's three possibilities of how aliens get here:

1. Wormholes via blackholes within the Earth or near the Earth (possibly Bermuda Triangle and the Devil's/Pacific Triangle).
2. Power that allows their spacecraft to go faster than the speed of light, or close to it. (possibly electro-magnentic or plasma based)
3. They don't need to travel far at all, they could have bases on the Earth or near Earth. (such as the Moon, Mars, large motherships, underwater or mountain bases).

These are just three ideas, dunno which one is correct but it could be all three:

I think the US Government should someday release files. They can't keep it under-wraps forever. I think UFOs could be three of these things, or all of them.

1. Alien controlled spacecraft and satellites/drones (unoccupied)
2. Advanced US Military Aircraft (could be due to Alien technology)
3. Unknown aerial phenomenon or energies and ships from other dimensions

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Originally posted by Omega_M Life should be a very common phenomenon in the universe. There are billions of galaxies each containing billions of stars.

And because the Universe is so old and the Earth (and life on it, esp Intelligent) is so young, there has to be life that existed much sooner in the Universe and thus a lot more evolved than we are, biologically/physiologically and technologically.

And one thing to note to those who don't believe (because you don't see them all the time or have never seen UFOs yourself). If you went to another planet, would you want everyone on that planet, esp if they have a pretty well estbalished civilization like us, to know your there? I mean if we went to another planet, most likely we'de conquerer them and are presence would be known, but to a more intelligent species, they probably know better than to come right out and say "we're here".

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Originally posted by M.Johan very nice is that means that any UFO's evidence'll happen inthe future

There is already evidence, and not just photographic. Cattle mutilations, burn indentations on the ground, implants found in people who have been abducted (with no inflammation, the people didn't even know they were there inside of them), of course photographic/video evidence, some quite convincing, esp the famous Belgium/Montreal/Isreali/Phoenix/Indiana sightings of the same aircraft...a triangular shaped craft that could be a top secret air-force project called "Aurora" and of course the famous Mexico City sightings in the early 90s. And of course thousands upon thousands of reports of UFO sightings, that go back even before the first well published incident in 46, the Kenneth Arnold sighting in Washington state.

I take it that you have seen one. I am of the opinion that almost all of the unexplained sighting can be explained by science. There are still a number of natural phenomena that are not well known and could lend themselves to scientific explanations. Even ghosts can have a very rational and scientific explanations. Here's one.

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Research by Vic Tandy, a lecturer at Coventry University, suggested that the frequency 19 hertz was responsible for many ghost sightings. He was working late one night alone in a supposedly haunted laboratory at Warwick, when he felt very anxious, and could detect a grey blob out of the corner of his eye. When he turned to face it, there was nothing. The following day, he was working on his fencing foil, with the handle held in a vice. Although there was nothing touching it, it started to vibrate wildly. Further investigation led him to discover that the extraction fan was emitting a frequency of 18.98 Hz, very close to the resonant frequency of the eye (given as 18 Hz in NASA Technical Report 19770013810). This was why he saw a ghostly figure - it was an optical illusion caused by his eyeballs resonating. The room was exactly half a wavelength in length, and the desk was in the centre, thus causing a standing wave which was detected by the foil. [4] Vic investigated this phenomenon further, and wrote a paper entitled The Ghost in the Machine[5]. He carried out a number of investigations at various sites believed to be haunted, including the basement of the Tourist Information Bureau next to Coventry Cathedral [6] and Edinburgh Castle [7][8]

I might add...

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...the symptoms listed by Temple (1976) for low frequency sound waves are; Severe middle ear pain (not experienced), persistent eye watering, and respiratory difficulties, sensations of fear including excessive perspiration and shivering. Table IV on page 212 of this book shows frequencies causing disturbance to the eyes and vision to be within the band 12 to 27 Hz

Stuff like this makes me believe that all unexplained phenomena have a rationaal scientific explaination. You can read the paper : here

It is impossible for anybody without an engineering background to attribute the cold feeling of fear and fuzzy vision to anything but ghosts.

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"In 1947, devices that the U.S. government called "flying disks" crashed in the desert of New Mexico. The debris was collected by a team from the nearby Roswell Army Air Base, which was one of the most highly classified locations in the United States. The government put out a press release announcing that flying disks had crashed, and the story made headlines in the respected local newspaper, The Roswell Daily Record. Take a moment to look at the headlines for July 8, 1947: RAAF Captures Flying Saucer



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RAAF stands for Roswell Army Air Force.



The next day, the U.S. government retracted the press release, and said their original announcement was mistaken. There were no flying disks, they claimed. It was only a weather balloon that had crashed.



Anybody who had seen the debris knew it wasn't a weather balloon. It was far too large, and it appeared to be made from some exotic materials. In fact, the object that crashed was not a weather balloon. The government was lying, in order to protect their finding from the communists. No wonder why the story was changed to a weather balloon the next day. And most people could tell that the government was lying.



In a nutshell, the story of the Roswell incident, perhaps the most famous of UFO cases, reads like this:

The U.S. government says it has recovered a flying saucer. Then it says it hasn’t. People believe the denial. Then they don’t. The government admits there was a cover-up, but says it wasn't a cover-up of an alien spacecraft.

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Omega,
you seem like a smart dude with an open mind. don't get sucked into the whole "science can explain everything" mentality, because it can't. atleast not yet. science has yet to really "think outside the box" in terms of paranormal activity, and there is A LOT of evidence supporting ghosts, spirits, whatever. you yourself being into hinduism should know that opening your 3rd eye allows you to see spirits, auras, whatever. kids are born with this gift but as we grow up we stop using it and it lies dormant. some animals, dogs for instance, can detect spirits. is it really that hard to fathom the idea of life after death? ghosts are just people who died a traumatic death and cling to this world afraid to let go. nothing to be scared of, they can't hurt you.

and about UFOs, http://www.disclosureproject.org/

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