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| quote: | Originally posted by LatinLover
It saddens me that the Dems are pushing for failure in Iraq. |
It saddens me that "Independents" such as yourself continue to hold specious arguments with no evidence to support yourself. Again I ask you a very simple question that you've conveniently ignored earlier:
| quote: | Given the fact that hardly any predictions made by this Administration and its supporters have come to fruition about this war in Iraq, why the fuck do you think you have an ounce of credibility to make any predictions about the situation in the future? Given your support to the group that's been wrong on almost all accounts with this war, what on earth should compel anyone to start believing your predictions now?
And lastly, again I wonder, do you think it's okay for Bush to call for a timetable of withdrawal against Clinton back in 1999?
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=2 |
| quote: | | I sometimes ask myself, how would a withdrawal from Iraq benefit our homeland security? |
Huh, I dunno. Perhaps maybe actually having the FUCKING NATIONAL GUARD back in, uhh, our own nation might be a start?
Or do you always support diverting our attention away from our real enemy, al Qaeda, and attacking other countries that had nothing to do with the bastards that attacked us on our own soil?
| quote: | | How would a withdrawal benefit Iraqis and their neighbors? Would a withdrawal make the world a safer place? |
How does completely ignoring Iraq's neighbors and refusing to engage in any diplomacy laid out by the Bush-appointed Iraqi Study Group strengthen your point any?
Just wondering again, have you actually read the bill? Because if you did, it would kinda hurt your point about enabling al Qaeda a wee bit. This passage in the bill you might find a bit interesting:
| quote: | (f) After the conclusion of the 180-day period for redeployment specified in subsections (c) and (d), the Secretary of Defense may not deploy or maintain members of the Armed Forces in Iraq for any purpose other than the following:
(1) Protecting American diplomatic facilities and American citizens, including members of the U.S. Armed Forces.
(2) Serving in roles consistent with customary diplomatic positions.
(3) Engaging in targeted special actions limited in duration and scope to killing or capturing members of al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations with global reach.
(4) Training members of the Iraqi Security Forces.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query...0dUWZoe:e90716: |
Funny that - actually wanting to still go after the bastards that actually attacked us, since some of them are now in Iraq as a result of our invasion.
And how about that, part 4 - actually training Iraqi Security Forces? What a thought, huh?
And what compelling evidence other than the rhetoric of the al Qaeda leaders in Iraq do you have to believe that al Qaeda can somehow overtake and control Iraq? Because by all accounts, a growing number of the Sunni factions are becoming more and more sick of their shit:
http://archive.gulfnews.com/article...7/10116557.html
Hell, even to the point of joining forces with our military to go after al Qaeda:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20070503/wl_csm/oramadi_1
So what evidence do you have that al Qaeda has a much bigger hand in the balance of Iraq AFTER we decide to redeploy most of our troops (except the ones left behind to specifically go after al Qaeda)?
Besides, I can think of 3,364 reasons, actually, 24,314 selfish reasons alone that we should pull out of Iraq:
http://icasualties.org/oif/
Not to mention the tens to hundreds of thousands of other reasons paid with Iraqi lives as well.
How have you really helped our troops, my dear Independent LatinLover? Have you decided to enlist yourself to truly help support the cause?
How about giving a donation? Here's a site that I've recently donated myself that does wonders to help our troops.
http://www.operation-helmet.org/
Actually, here's a good website to truly support our veterans and their families:
http://fisherhouse.org/support/support.shtml
Have you given to these charities to truly help our troops? If so, wonderful. If not, perhaps you should consider it. Again, it's tough as fuck on these brave soldiers. In fact a recent study by the Army puts their hardships into a pretty big perspective:
| quote: | “the strains placed on troops in Iraq are in some ways more severe than those borne by the combat forces of World War II. ‘A considerable number of Soldiers and Marines are conducting combat operations everyday of the week, 10-12 hours per day seven days a week for months on end,’ wrote Col. Carl Castro and Maj. Dennis McGurk, both psychologists. ‘At no time in our military history have Soldiers or Marines been required to serve on the front line in any war for a period of 6-7 months.’”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ml?hpid=topnews |
The situation in Iraq is a dead end, period. There's no way we can continue being caught in the middle of a civil war while supporting a fundamentalist Shiite regime in leagues with Iran with a leader that does this:
| quote: | BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Iraq's prime minister has created an entity within his government that U.S. and Iraqi military officials say is being used as a smokescreen to hide an extreme Shiite agenda that is worsening the country's sectarian divide.
The Office of the Commander in Chief has the power to overrule other government ministries, according to U.S. military and intelligence sources.
Those sources say the 24-member office is abusing its power, increasingly overriding decisions made by the Iraqi Ministries of Defense and Interior and potentially undermining the entire U.S. effort in Iraq.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.office/ |
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