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Rasta American Imperialists Want To Now Retreat From Iraq

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The eight Democratic White House contenders agreed on Thursday on the need to quickly pull U.S. troops out of Iraq and offer universal health care to Americans, but differed on the details in a largely polite first debate.
The initial face-to-face encounter of the 2008 campaign produced few fireworks but provided voters’ first extended view of front-runners Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Obama and other candidates in a Democratic race already being waged at a breakneck pace 18 months before the vote.


On the day the Senate approved a bill to fund the war and set timetables for withdrawal by 2008, President George W. Bush and his policies in Iraq drew the biggest criticisms.

“I am proud that I opposed this war from the start, because I thought it would lead to the disastrous conditions that we’ve seen on the ground in Iraq,” said Illinois Sen. Obama, who supported the funding bill and urged Congress to override an expected Bush veto.

But New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson said he would go even further and support the removal of all U.S. troops by the end of this year. He said he would not vote for the Iraq funding bill given his opposition to the war.

“This war is a disaster. We must end this war,” Richardson said.New York Sen. Clinton, who leads national polls in the Democratic race, refused again to apologize for her 2002 vote authorizing the war or call it a mistake. The former first lady’s stance has angered some Democratic activists.

The other Democratic candidates who voted for the 2002 resolution, including former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards and Sens. Chris Dodd of Connecticut and Joseph Biden of Delaware, have called their votes a mistake.

“Senator Clinton and anyone else who voted for this war has to search themselves and decide whether they believe they’ve voted the right way. If so, they can support their vote,” Edwards said.“If they believe they didn’t, I think it’s important to be straightforward and honest,” he said.

On health care, Edwards defended his proposal for a universal plan to cover all Americans and be paid for by raising taxes on those making more than $200,000 a year.

“I think we have a responsibility, if you want to be president of the United States, to tell the American people what it is you want to do,” Edwards said. “Rhetoric’s not enough. High-falutin’ language is not enough.”

Richardson remained adamant that a universal health care plan could be instituted without raising taxes. “As Democrats, I just hope that we always don’t think of new taxes to pay for programs,” he said.

The debate, the earliest in presidential campaign history, provided candidates little opportunity to address one another. They were given one minute to answer questions, and they did not make opening or closing statements.

Clinton, who would be the first female president, has seen Obama, who would be the first black president, cut into her national lead in polls and match her in fund raising.

But the two front-runners turned the spotlight over to their rivals for much of the debate, with Richardson, Dodd, Biden, Ohio Rep. Dennis Kucinich and former Sen. Mike Gravel of Alaska sharing the stage.

While direct attacks were rare — Kucinich did challenge Obama’s assertion he would keep military options open in dealing with Iran’s nuclear program — the candidates made some veiled digs at each other.



More and more of US political elite are conceding defeat in Iraq without assuming any responsibility for their lies, deception and armed aggression and they want to get away with it . Well it's a start but no one doubts that it's all self serving attempt to save their beleaguered army and nothing else . Forget a so called "muslim democracy" in the end and it always was it's all about saving US troops. Now they say they want to fight al qaida in afghanistan but it's a croc and a diversion tactic since they have been saying that since 9/11 and only al qaida has been on offensive since then.

What is scary though is that they are looking for all the ways to sideshow their defeat in Iraq and this will most likely come in the near future by open confrontations and probably armed aggressions on Serbia, Russia, Iran and maybe China. Don't discount this empire yet , it's a wounded and cornered animal looking to lash out and still too powerful for its own good

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Re: American Imperialists Want To Now Retreat From Iraq

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Forget a so called "muslim democracy"


never.

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..and the socialism of America begins...

Hope you like taxes...


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>THE TRIFECTA<

somehow Erdega will dismiss this.

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quote:
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>THE TRIFECTA<

somehow Erdega will dismiss this.


What's the point?

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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
..and the socialism of America begins...

Hope you like taxes...


I am afraid it's going to be the same old, the same old

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quote:
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..and the socialism of America begins...

Hope you like taxes...


I love taxes, as long as the come back to us in some way. Free groceries perhaps?


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Saving US troops? Saving a beleaguered army? What the hell are you talking about?


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quote:
Originally posted by erdega
What's the point?


it's a very relative point to this thread and refutes some of your insinuations, actually.

Al Queera is vaporizing evryone they can in Iraq and what just happened was "a former Iraqi soldier who became a top al Qaeda operative in Afghanistan and later supervised that organization's operations in Iraq was caught re-entering that country from Iran: three entities that, we are told, cannot possibly have anything to do with one another."

in addition the UK thinks he was the one responsible for organizing 7/7 in London.

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Saving US troops? Saving a beleaguered army? What the hell are you talking about?


it's his hyperbole. goodness knows where he came up with it.

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quote:
Originally posted by Fir3start3r
..and the socialism of America begins...

Hope you like taxes...


you think I care about american taxes

Anyway, libs are far more spiteful and coniving than cons and all of them supported and conceived american imperial wars in the last decade and I am sure that their recent "anti war" stance is all self serving .

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Originally posted by erdega
you think I care about american taxes

Anyway, libs are far more spiteful and coniving than cons and all of them supported and conceived american imperial wars in the last decade and I am sure that their recent "anti war" stance is all self serving .


Jeez dude who has gotten to you? whoever it is needs their ass kicked.

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