i know ill get flamed, but this is why constitutions that grant inalienable rights are a very bad thing.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know ill get flamed, but this is why constitutions that grant inalienable rights are a very bad thing.

Blame the gun right? A government that knows its population is armed is less likely to be tyrannical. Over 200 years of the same democracy proves that.

The real blame should go to the shooter. You don't think a guy who has the resolve to kill 33 people wouldn't be able to find a weapon?

And what kind of school doesn't cancel classes when a shooting occurs on campus?

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Originally posted by Krypton Blame the gun right? A government that knows its population is armed is less likely to be tyrannical. Over 200 years of the same democracy proves that.

what a load of crap. there are plenty of democracies around the world that are not underpinned by massive gun ownership. this is a typical fallacy repeated by pro gun people. are you going to argue you have a greater democracy than either england or australia for instance? haha!!

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Originally posted by Krypton The real blame should go to the shooter. You don't think a guy who has the resolve to kill 33 people wouldn't be able to find a weapon?

irrelevent. the simple fact is america has far more gun-related homicides and mass killings than any other advanced liberal democracy. possibly even more than all those liberal democracies combined. and yes, ready access to firearms is the number one reason for that.

im not arguing for gun control. america is too far gone for that to have any impact. merely stating that inalienable rights to firearms as allowed under the constitution has been the central problem in modern times in regards to unnecessary firearm related deaths.

you dont need a constitution of this sort to have effective democracy. guns also do nothing to protect that democracy. the idea that the US government would be "held at bay" by a militia of sorts is ridiculous.

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a guy like this would have killed one way or another, at a more or less effecient way or another, with or without firearms.

to place this in a some sort of political construct is natural, but to advocate the revoking of unalienable rights is more destructive than constructive.

^^ but im not advocating the repealing of any laws, inalienable or otherwise. just pointing out where i think the blame lies.

but i disagree regarding the efficiency comment. guns are obviously the most efficient and readily available tool of mass murder, especially in the US.

man i love australia

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Try killing 33 people with a knife..... exactly.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i know ill get flamed, but this is why constitutions that grant inalienable rights are a very bad thing.

Slaps PKC silly .

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"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Slaps PKC silly .

haha! from memory i think this topic was the beginning of a lovely series of disagreements between you and i!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN haha! from memory i think this topic was the beginning of a lovely series of disagreements between you and i!

LOL, indeed .

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN but i disagree regarding the efficiency comment. guns are obviously the most efficient and readily available tool of mass murder, especially in the US. man i love australia

once, one guy here killed 168 people with a truck bomb. guns are efficient, so are mass murderers.

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Originally posted by Q5echo once, one guy here killed 168 people with a truck bomb. guns are efficient, so are mass murderers.

Yeah, the CIA are pretty efficient when it comes to mass murder.

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"The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." -Stephen Hawking
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me— and there was no one left to speak out for me." -Martin Niemöller