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MisterOpus1
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Registered: Dec 2001
Location: Kansas City
Discussion on Immigration Reform

This is one of those issues that I tend to skip right over. I really don't pay too much attention to the gripes and complaints of either side of the aisle, and I also often tune out talk show hosts when they go on their rants pertaining to this issue (which pretty much means I never watch Lou Dobbs at all anymore).

However, I think there are likely some legitimate complaints, and I'd like to hear them from you. I am admittedly less educated on this issue, and I'd like to hear what you all consider are legitimate points either for or against immigration reform, whether it be this Administration's plan of Amnesty or otherwise. What I'm also especially interested in are viable statistics that support your points, if there are any available, especially any evidence that demonstrate the ill effects of our current system. Examples that come to mind are the effects on healthcare, education, employment, etc.

So the floor is open to your thoughts and arguments. I don't come at this with a Democratic viewpoint (to be honest, I'm not even sure they have a much of a view on it), nor will I be critical of a Republican or Conservative viewpoint. But I do ask you to try to support yourself as much as you can.


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HardTranceProd
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Registered: Jun 2004
Location: Washington DC

Far be it from me to quote anything by Robert Novak, but in today's Washington Post he makes a relatively astute observation.

quote:

Fear of foreigners is not new for Americans. This nation of immigrants has greeted successive waves of newcomers with apprehension stoked by demagogues.

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...id=opinionsbox1


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Krypton
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Registered: Nov 2003
Location: Texas

1. Secure the border.
This is where we need to start.

2. Implement tax reform.
Especially the Fair Tax. Then even illegal immigrants would be paying some form of taxes.

3. Reform the immigration system.
It is obviously overburdened by the number of people seeking to immigrate.


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NeoPhono
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Registered: Sep 2003
Location: In Orbit

I guess my overall feeling is that I support immigration and I think it is vital to the country. However, there is no circumstance in which I condone illegal immigration. First is the thought of having unsecured borders and second is the idea that we have an entire population not paying into a system it receives benefit from.

What is to be done with the current population of illegal immigrants is a tough one, but regardless of that, there needs to be a definitive point where the flow of new illegal immigrants is stopped.

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Fir3start3r
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Registered: Oct 2001
Location: Toronto, ON, Canada

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Originally posted by NeoPhono
I guess my overall feeling is that I support immigration and I think it is vital to the country. However, there is no circumstance in which I condone illegal immigration. First is the thought of having unsecured borders and second is the idea that we have an entire population not paying into a system it receives benefit from.

What is to be done with the current population of illegal immigrants is a tough one, but regardless of that, there needs to be a definitive point where the flow of new illegal immigrants is stopped.


That's pretty much my take on it, yup.

I've mentioned it before, but illegal immigrants don't have moral authority to break the law of another country.

They should be going through the lines of immigration like everyone else.
They do everyone a disservice by trying to shirk the legal process.


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