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metalgearsolid
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bf calls nine eleven from ER and gf dies

yep this is our great medical system at the works.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...=la-home-center

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that is a very fucked up incident

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as unfortunate and shocking as it is, surely it's an exception rather than a norm. So you can't mock the entire medical system for something like this.


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as unfortunate and shocking as it is, surely it's an exception rather than a norm. So you can't mock the entire medical system for something like this.


True, but this is not that rare of an exception. This happens often enough in underfunded hospitals to merit concern. These types of incidents are alerts, they are warning signs that something is wrong. Now is the time to do something about it.


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LazFX
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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: 9th Circle

I liked this part
quote:
Alerted to the "disturbance" in the lobby, police stepped in — by running Rodriguez's record. They found an outstanding warrant and prepared to take her to jail. She died before she could be put into a squad car.


She is hispanic, she is a bother, she has warrants, lets take her to jail......wait...is she dead?? try the amonia tabs.......whoah,,,,, she s dead.... our bad....


and this happens allot to hispanics in Cali and the southern states..... even big rollers who make 6 figures... you have a spainish sur name, you are treated 50% of the time with suspicion of either not having insurance or bieng illeagal......
Thats the real underlying issue here, if the poor woman was a smith or robinson....this never would of happend.

I don't see this as a smudge against the medical system, I see it as a very good example of the "man with a tan" syndrome that has gripped the southern border states.
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Tale of last 90 minutes of woman's life
County officials express dismay at the events surrounding the recent controversial death at King-Harbor hospital. One nurse has resigned.
By Charles Ornstein
Times Staff Writer

May 20, 2007

In the emergency room at Martin Luther King Jr.-Harbor Hospital, Edith Isabel Rodriguez was seen as a complainer.

"Thanks a lot, officers," an emergency room nurse told Los Angeles County police who brought in Rodriguez early May 9 after finding her in front of the Willowbrook hospital yelling for help. "This is her third time here."

The 43-year-old mother of three had been released from the emergency room hours earlier, her third visit in three days for abdominal pain. She'd been given prescription medication and a doctor's appointment.

Turning to Rodriguez, the nurse said, "You have already been seen, and there is nothing we can do," according to a report by the county office of public safety, which provides security at the hospital.

Parked in the emergency room lobby in a wheelchair after police left, she fell to the floor. She lay on the linoleum, writhing in pain, for 45 minutes, as staffers worked at their desks and numerous patients looked on.

Aside from one patient who briefly checked on her condition, no one helped her. A janitor cleaned the floor around her as if she were a piece of furniture. A closed-circuit camera captured everyone's apparent indifference.

Arriving to find Rodriguez on the floor, her boyfriend unsuccessfully tried to enlist help from the medical staff and county police — even a 911 dispatcher, who balked at sending rescuers to a hospital.

Alerted to the "disturbance" in the lobby, police stepped in — by running Rodriguez's record. They found an outstanding warrant and prepared to take her to jail. She died before she could be put into a squad car.

How Rodriguez came to die at a public hospital, without help from the many people around her, is now the subject of much public hand-wringing. The county chief administrative office has launched an investigation, as has the Sheriff's Department homicide division and state and federal health regulators.

The triage nurse involved has resigned, and the emergency room supervisor has been reassigned. Additional disciplinary actions could come this week.

The incident has brought renewed attention to King-Harbor, a long-troubled hospital formerly known as King/Drew.

The Times reconstructed the last 90 minutes of Rodriguez's life based on accounts by three people who have seen the confidential videotape, a detailed police report, interviews with relatives and an account of the boyfriend's 911 call.

"I am completely dumbfounded," said county Supervisor Zev Yaroslavsky, who has seen the video recording.

"It's an indictment of everybody," he said. "If this woman was in pain, which she appears to be, if she was writhing in pain, which she appears to be, why did nobody bother … to take the most minimal interest in her, in her welfare? It's just shocking. It really is."

The story of Rodriguez's demise began at 12:34 a.m. when two county police officers received a radio call of a "female down" and yelling for help near the front entrance of King-Harbor, according to the police report.

When they approached Rodriguez to ask what was wrong, she responded in a "loud and belligerent voice that her stomach was hurting," the report states. She said she had 10 gallstones and that one of them had burst.

A staff member summoned by the police arrived with a wheelchair and rolled her into the emergency room. Among her belongings, one officer found her latest discharge slip from the hospital, which instructed her to "return to ER if nausea, vomit, more pain or any worse."

When the officers talked to the emergency room nurse, she "did not show any concern" for Rodriguez, the police report said. The report identifies the nurse as Linda Witland, but county officials confirmed that her name is Linda Ruttlen, who began working for the county in July 1992.

Ruttlen could not be reached for comment.

During that initial discussion with Ruttlen, Rodriguez slipped off her wheelchair onto the floor and curled into a fetal position, screaming in pain, the report said.

Ruttlen told her to "get off the floor and onto a chair," the police report said. Two officers and a different nurse helped her back to the wheelchair and brought her close to the reception counter, where a staff member asked her to remain seated.

The officers left and Rodriguez again pitched forward onto the floor, apparently unable to get up, according to people who saw the videotape and spoke on the condition of anonymity.

Because the tape does not have sound, it is not possible to determine whether Rodriguez was screaming or what she was saying, the viewers said. Because of the camera's angle, in most scenes, she is but a grainy blob, sometimes obstructed, moving around on the floor.

When Rodriguez's boyfriend, Jose Prado, returned to the hospital after an errand and saw her on the floor, he alerted nurses and then called 911.

According to Sheriff's Capt. Ray Peavy, the dispatcher said, "Look, sir, it indicates you're already in a hospital setting. We cannot send emergency equipment out there to take you to a hospital you're already at."

Prado then knocked on the door of the county police, near the emergency room, and said, "My girlfriend needs help and they don't want to help her," according to the police report. A sergeant told him to consult the medical staff, the report said. Minutes later, Prado came back to the sergeant and said, "They don't want to help her." Again, he was told to see the medical staff.

Within minutes, police began taking Rodriguez into custody. When they told Prado that there was a warrant for Rodriguez's arrest, he asked if she would get medical care wherever she was taken. They assured him that she would. He then kissed her and left, the police report said.

She was wheeled to the patrol vehicle and the door was opened so that she could get into the back. When officers asked her to get up, she did not respond. An officer tried to revive her with an ammonia inhalant, then checked for a pulse and found none. She died in the emergency room after resuscitation efforts failed.

According to preliminary coroner's findings, the cause was a perforated large bowel, which caused an infection. Experts say the condition can bring about death fairly suddenly.

Hours after her death, county Department of Health Services spokesman Michael Wilson sent a note informing county supervisors' offices about the incident but saying that that police had been called because Rodriguez's boyfriend became disruptive.

Health services Director Dr. Bruce Chernof said Friday that subsequent information showed Prado was not, in fact, disruptive. Chernof otherwise refused to comment, citing the open investigation, patient privacy and "other issues."

Peavy, who supervises the sheriff's homicide unit, said that although his investigation is not complete, "the county police did absolutely, absolutely nothing wrong as far as we're concerned."

The coroner's office may relay its final findings to the district attorney's office for consideration of criminal charges against hospital staff members, Peavy said.

"I can't speak for the coroner and I can't speak for the D.A., but that is certainly a possibility," he added.

Marcela Sanchez, Rodriguez's sister, said she has been making tamales and selling them to raise money for her sister's funeral and burial. Her family has been called by attorneys seeking to represent them, but they do not know whom to trust.

She said the latest revelations, which she learned from The Times, are very troubling.

"Wow," she said. "If she was on the floor for that long, how in the heck did nobody help her then?

"Where was their heart? Where was their humanity? … When Jose came in, everybody was just sitting, looking. Where were they?"

Sanchez said her sister was a giving person who always took an interest in people in need, unlike those who watched her suffer. "She would have taken her shoes to give to somebody with no shoes," she said. Rodriguez, a California native, performed odd jobs and lived alternately with different relatives.

David Janssen, the county's chief administrative officer, said the incident is being taken very seriously. In a rare move, his office took over control of the inquiry from the county health department and the office of public safety.

"There's no excuse — and I don't think anybody believes that there is," Janssen said.

Over the last 3 1/2 years, King-Harbor has reeled from crisis to crisis.

Based on serious patient-care lapses, it has lost its national accreditation and federal funding. Hundreds of staff members have been disciplined and services cut.

Janssen said he was concerned that the incident would divert attention from preparing the hospital for a crucial review in six weeks that is to determine whether it can regain federal funding.

If the hospital fails, it could be forced to close.

"It certainly isn't going to help," Janssen said.

At the same time, he said, the preliminary investigation suggests that the fault primarily rests with the nurse who resigned. "I think it's a tragic, tragic incident, but it's not a systemic one."

Supervisor Gloria Molina, who hadn't seen the videotape, said she wasn't sure the hospital had reformed.

"What's so discouraging and disappointing for me is that it seems that this hospital at this point in time hasn't really transformed itself — and I'm worried about it," she said.

Supervisor Mike Antonovich said he believed care had improved at the hospital overall, but added, "It's unconscionable that anyone would ignore a patient in obvious distress."

Rodriguez's son, Edmundo, 25, said he still couldn't understand why his mother died. "It's more than negligence. I can't even think of the word."

His 24-year-old sister, Christina, said, "It just makes it so much harder to grieve. It's so painful."

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Yoepus
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I disagree LazFx, if you carry yourself as white trash you would be treated just as bad. Its not a race issue its a class issue, but it has a lot to do with educaiton.


This is really horribly incident and should be a wake up call to the health system in the USA.

I always liked to tell people that as bad as the US Health care system might be (or you hear about) nobody is dying in the streets and nobody is prevented from medical care when it is necessary.

I now can't say that anymore...


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NeoPhono
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quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
I disagree LazFx, if you carry yourself as white trash you would be treated just as bad. Its not a race issue its a class issue, but it has a lot to do with educaiton.


This is really horribly incident and should be a wake up call to the health system in the USA.

I always liked to tell people that as bad as the US Health care system might be (or you hear about) nobody is dying in the streets and nobody is prevented from medical care when it is necessary.

I now can't say that anymore...


No health care system can say that.

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venomX
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Location: Vancouver, Canada

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No health care system can say that.


Agreed, but that doesn't mean one should not try. The don't fix it if it ain't broke doesn't apply here. Not to deny the complexity of the issue, but news like this is worth considering.


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Q5echo
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consider what?

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NeoPhono
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quote:
Originally posted by venomX
Agreed, but that doesn't mean one should not try. The don't fix it if it ain't broke doesn't apply here. Not to deny the complexity of the issue, but news like this is worth considering.


The thing is, I don't see this as a health care system issue, I see this as a horrific personal judgment issue. It is a case of a triage nurse, medical staff and security team interpreting a medical emergency as an unruly patient and family member, not an entire system letting someone die due to it's own faults.

If this was a paperwork issue, an HMO denying care or the ER flat-out asking for money before care, then I can see where the alarm would be in terms of the state of our health care system. However, as I said, this was poor judgment on behalf of many people thinking a dying patient was simply a woman and her husband tired of waiting and trying to make a scene in the waiting room.

I'm not trying to justify what happened, as this is surely a tragedy, but after the 10th or 20th patient or family member you see over-react to their injury or illness during a shift, you begin to question everyone you see acting in an overtly dramatic fashion. It becomes extremely difficult to "get excited" over every instance of a patient or family member acting out. It's a sad thing, but it's human nature; there's just no way to take every instance seriously when you see so many false alarms, even though health care professionals are trained to do so. As I said, this was a series of poor individual judgments, not a systemic issue.

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LazFX
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Registered: Aug 2004
Location: 9th Circle

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
I disagree LazFx, if you carry yourself as white trash you would be treated just as bad. Its not a race issue its a class issue, but it has a lot to do with educaiton.

aye mejo, you are correct to some degree... but, as a dark skinned hispanic I come across this mentality every day... I am not bothered by it just pisses me off for a few seconds when I hear shit like this happening, and still happens in this day and age.

I am not saying that this is the case with this particular event, I just flew off the handle a little........but with my expereince with racism, it sounds so typical and by the book....

apparently this hospitol has a history of fock ups like this.....

they should shut it down.

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Re: bf calls nine eleven from ER and gf dies

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid
yep this is our great medical system at the works.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...=la-home-center


Our!!? WTF!? You are not in Mexico my friend

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