im not saying that any system of organisation or structure should be beyond reproach or reform, but i believe its a worker's right to have access to a separate & independent body to judge whether a dissmissal has been for cause.

the howard govt's plans to prevent that safeguard from being utilised by certain sections of australia's workforce is a disgrace.

discuss. if you give a fuck.

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yeah if i lost my job id kill myself
but thats just me taking the easy way out again

dont know too much on the topic, just heard the ads that have been going around the tv stations. enlighten me please

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Don't really give a fuck, but can someone actually say (without bias) what the reforms are?
Cos all I'm hearing is union whining so I got no idea whats going on.

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as far as i understand it, and i might have the wrong end of howard's butt-raping stick- workers in businesses with fewer than 100 employees will not have access to unfair dismissal tribunals if they are sacked. theres other stuff, but as far as i can tell not a big deal.

its never going to bother my employment, and im not saying all (relatively) small business are a bunch of arseholes, but bad shit does happen to the powerless in these situations and i reckon something should be in place to reduce the instances of abuse by businesses or their managers.

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I've heard of just as many small businesses get fucked over cos they had some retard working for them that they wanted to get rid of but couldn't cos of dumb industrial relations laws.

What really annoys me is the WA govts spending of tax money on their anti-reform advertising and paying public servants for protest time. Meanwhile teachers and nurses keep getting shitty pay and conditions.

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Originally posted by Antistatic I've heard of just as many small businesses get fucked over cos they had some retard working for them that they wanted to get rid of but couldn't cos of dumb industrial relations laws.

Exactly! Alot of ppl cry poor but what about those who get raped by the current unfair dimissal laws.

Honest ppl who have invested their own money in a business, take all the risk, work their arses off and get fucked over by some dickhead who knows the company cant fire him regardless off what he does.

Good and bad in everything, you'll never please everyone.

oh thtop it!

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Originally posted by batemanscott Good and bad in everything, you'll never please everyone.

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Originally posted by batemanscott Honest ppl who have invested their own money in a business, take all the risk, work their arses off and get fucked over by some dickhead who knows the company cant fire him regardless off what he does.

id like to know how exactly businesses get raped with current tribunals. if they have a reason to fire someone, then there shouldnt be a problem. sure, no system is perfect but id prefer businesses getting raped rather than employees.

the disparity in the power relationship means that someone should be looking out for the employee. if a business can show reasonable grounds for dismissal, then its a non-issue. cant believe that anyone would support laws that meant anyone could get fired at anytime for no reason especially given that new employees have a 3 (soon to be 6) month temporary status, where they can be dismissed at any time.

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in my experiences
its been the people who work hard in big companies (like myself)
getting raped because of the slack kahtns who work in the same business..

and they know they cant get fired!!

the answer is quite simple. Instead of working for someone else and feeling raped, work 'for' yourself. Very hard to argue with yourself and you have only yourself to blame when shit hits the fan.

It's like anything in life and everyone, everyone will try exploit whatever they can if there is an opening to do so. Food for thought I guess and a sign of the times

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Originally posted by 00soups00 in my experiences its been the people who work hard in big companies (like myself) getting raped because of the slack kahtns who work in the same business..

yeah, that must really chew into your TA-posting time

and i agree christos, but it just takes simple economic theory to realise not *everyone* can work for themselves. and we all know not everyone possesses that capability in the first place.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN id like to know how exactly businesses get raped with current tribunals. if they have a reason to fire someone, then there shouldnt be a problem. sure, no system is perfect but id prefer businesses getting raped rather than employees.

No ofence mate, but I'd love to see you invest a million dollars of your own money into a venture then not be able to fire somebody who is stealing from you without paying him to leave due to unfair dismissal laws (as my parenmts had to do).

Generally if you do your job well you'll be an asset to the company you work for. Talk to most company owners and they'll tell you their greatest asset is their staff.

I'm sure if you do your job well your boss wont want to lose you by dicking you around.

Most employers complain that it is hard to find good staff so again, do your job well - why would they fire you?

I dont plan to be an employee for any longer then i have to, so for me....go johnny go! This could save me alot of bullshit in time to come.