there was a thread a while back about Zabiela style scratching...and yeah I think he has looped a scratch sample which is routed into the efx...then he messes with the faders...don't know the details though...

you might want to use the search...or maybe someone here will remember

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i'll explain it again, though you should've done a search-

you need 1 cdj with real platter emulation and loop function such as a cdj-800, stanton c.304, denon dn-s3000, and an efx-500.

get a scratch sample cd, zabiela and halliwell often use the "ahhhh" sample that everyone uses, and loop it in your cdj every 2 beats or so. it should just repeat "ahhhhh... ahhhhh" over and over again. next, use your efx's transform effect and chop the sample to 1/4. it should chop the "ahhhhh" loop into 16th-note stutters.. "ah-ah-ah-ah" etc. then move the platter back and forth. voila.

to get the scratch effect to sound good, however, you need to press "tap" on the efx-500 in time with the track you're playing- get it as close as possible, it won't be perfect. the "ah" effect should be in time with the playing track, if it's not quite right use the pitch slider on the playing track to beatmatch it with the sample. what really makes the effect shine is using the crossfader rhythmically along with the sample much like how a regular turntablist would scratch. still can't do that myself, though. zabiela also has a bad habit of using jet or zip along with the scratch effects. meh.

hope that helps.

Wasn't this just covered in another thread? (omega - think you posted in it too?)

If you look on the this and the other videos on youtube, when you can see the booth, most of the trick is generated by the FX unit. As described above, he basically just got a loop being cut to shit by the FX unit and then using the deck to modulate the sample. Then he increases or lowers the multiple of the modulation by the depth (i.e. 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc) knob on the FX unit. The because he's using a scratch sound, it makes it seem like he scratching very fast (in the traditional method of fader cuts with timed manipulation of the track) but it's not. Its' quite clever and the real trick is to learn how to correctly manipulate the track in correspondence to the track peramters.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue i'll explain it again, though you should've done a search- you need 1 cdj with real platter emulation and loop function such as a cdj-800, stanton c.304, denon dn-s3000, and an efx-500. get a scratch sample cd, zabiela and halliwell often use the "ahhhh" sample that everyone uses, and loop it in your cdj every 2 beats or so. it should just repeat "ahhhhh... ahhhhh" over and over again. next, use your efx's transform effect and chop the sample to 1/4. it should chop the "ahhhhh" loop into 16th-note stutters.. "ah-ah-ah-ah" etc. then move the platter back and forth. voila. to get the scratch effect to sound good, however, you need to press "tap" on the efx-500 in time with the track you're playing- get it as close as possible, it won't be perfect. the "ah" effect should be in time with the playing track, if it's not quite right use the pitch slider on the playing track to beatmatch it with the sample. what really makes the effect shine is using the crossfader rhythmically along with the sample much like how a regular turntablist would scratch. still can't do that myself, though. zabiela also has a bad habit of using jet or zip along with the scratch effects. meh. hope that helps.

ok cool thnx that rly helps

and yeh i did a search but nothing came up, do u have alink to that thread?

Thanks alot guys

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Looks like I was exploring the same subject here:
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=5

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Wasn't this just covered in another thread? (omega - think you posted in it too?) If you look on the this and the other videos on youtube, when you can see the booth, most of the trick is generated by the FX unit. As described above, he basically just got a loop being cut to shit by the FX unit and then using the deck to modulate the sample. Then he increases or lowers the multiple of the modulation by the depth (i.e. 1/4, 1/8, 1/16 etc) knob on the FX unit. The because he's using a scratch sound, it makes it seem like he scratching very fast (in the traditional method of fader cuts with timed manipulation of the track) but it's not. Its' quite clever and the real trick is to learn how to correctly manipulate the track in correspondence to the track peramters.

pretty much hit the nail there.. but whenever i do it, i feel it sounds much better with the jet and not teh zip.. though the jet knob has to be at 2 oclock

EDIT: also, for a nice ending to this effect, turn ur parameter knob anti-clockwise (having the parameters decreasing) until u hit a really low number and then bring the wet/dry knob to total dry (7 oclock).. this has to be done really quick, as in in 2 seconds...

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Originally posted by basilisk Looks like I was exploring the same subject here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=5

That's the puppy! Look at the vids on this thread and you can see what I'm talking about. You get a better view of the FX unit in use, which seems to be the larger component in the trick.

The concern with tricks like these is simple: does all that heavy-handed manipulation and mixer molestation actually sound good?

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Originally posted by basilisk The concern with tricks like these is simple: does all that heavy-handed manipulation and mixer molestation actually sound good?

I think it sounds amazing in the right place at the right time although it must be precise and not done too much. Its a good thing to see new groundbreaking methods used in creative mixing if done really well.

This trick's been in use for about 4 years so I'd hardly call it groundbreaking... it was quite cool the first few times I saw it done, but to really make it work you have to pay a lot more attention to getting your scratching to fit the track you're doing it over.

A few too many DJs know how it's done now - it can spoil the magic!

Also bear in mind that Zabeila can (and often does) scratch 'properly', quite often mixing it up with this effect... Eddie can a bit but he rarely bothers anymore.

I've always thought the best way to approach FX is to really understand what every effect and every control on your FX unit does (not just how it sounds) - then you can play around with working out your own ways of doing things, how to make tricks sound good etc rather than just learning what someone else has come up with.

In general, subtly is the key - apart from the odd blatent bit of effect use in a set, the best use of FX imo are when it sounds like it could quite easily be part of the track, so it just enhances it a bit rather than feeling like something's just been thrown straight over the top. The key to this is usually careful use of your wet/dry knob - just ease the effect into the background, or better still - apply it to one track when you've got another track playing, so that the effect doesn't take over all of the sound playing.

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