Let us watch as rival Shiite militias and the Iraqi government turn Basra into a toilet hole.

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Well really you have to ask:

1. Is it possible that by being there we are stirring up more violence?

2. Have we as a separate nation, given enough already?

On 1. I think it is very possible that we are (just by being there). Obviously there will be problems, 'security forces' killing on tribal grounds and so on but would us staying there make any difference?

As we speak 3 of 4 proveniences are already handed over. Basra is not Baghdad it has gotten worse lately but is that partly because we've stuck about too long?

On 2. the strain of two areas of intense operation has put on the small UK forces isn't to be underestimated either I'd say. 170 deaths nearly and financial costs £6.6 billion (FT estimate) aren't cheap either. I really do think the Army for example has been hit hard morale wise.

If not now, when should we leave?

EDIT: Added the billion.

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Well, I believe the very reasons we went to war were false and borderline fraudulent if not completely. Based on that, I believe we should withdraw immediately. Basra will be our view of what will happen when and if the coalition withdraws.

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If the Brits want to leave, then they should leave. No point in getting any further British troops killed over America's mess.

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Originally posted by Zharen If the Brits want to leave, then they should leave. No point in getting any further British troops killed over America's mess.

Well put.

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Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike Social outcasts are often of the opinion that they must have a drink before being able to loosen up with their inhibitions, thus being able to have a good time. There's a word that sums up this sort of behaviour, and that word is 'reject.'

Just being in Iraq is not causing more violence. It's simply putting our men at risk and in turn our countries. 95% of the violence is between Iraqies themselves and we arnt doing a very good job of policing it. We are just a scratch on the gigantic arse of extremism. Annoying but other-wise non-lethal.

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Dont expect profoundness so much as relentless and pathological destruction.

heroic and sklllful Iraqi resistance has made life a hell for british thieves and liars, we can only thank them for that. And brit army as usual refuses to fight with their equivalents, no wonder US army copied their tactics

Yeah, I dont think you quite know what you're talking about. Al Qaeda forces (Not Iraqi) refuse to fight the coalition directly, because they fail. Instead, they are cowards and they attack innocent Iraqi's with the dual intentions of making it look like we are causing the problem and cleansing rival factions. In actual fact, native Iraqi factions are actually starting to cooperate with the coalition. (See Anmbar province.)

I fail to see what you mean by ''Refusing to fight with their equivilants, no wonder US army copied their tactics.'' Which, if It means what I think it might mean actually contradicts reality.

Hopefuly you're just being sarcastic.

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Originally posted by erdega heroic and sklllful Iraqi resistance has made life a hell for british thieves and liars, we can only thank them for that.

heroic and sklllful??
Is that what you Islamic fascists call each other?? resistance??
must make you people feel like big men killing women and children in the name of some focked up view from a pedophile....

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Originally posted by erdega heroic and sklllful Iraqi resistance has made life a hell for british thieves and liars, we can only thank them for that. And brit army as usual refuses to fight with their equivalents, no wonder US army copied their tactics

Britain pulling out is the conclusion to a political process, they act outside that. We'll see how well they can handle it themselfs eh? If they fall down we'll help them, if they don't need us then we're out.

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Originally posted by Dervish Britain pulling out is the conclusion to a political process, they act outside that. We'll see how well they can handle it themselfs eh? If they fall down we'll help them, if they don't need us then we're out.

what political process ?

Bush(and Clinton before him) and Blair before he quit never recognized any "political process" but military might to further their economic interest and almost single handedly killed any credibility for united nations and any other global entity .

90%+ people in Iraq never wanted british and american invaders normally and the only reason they will leave is to save themselves and because they have failed in their colonial plans