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Thousands March for Taiwan UN bid

Well, i agree Taiwan should be represented as Taiwan in the UN. Unfortunately, China will have none of this...

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Thousands march in Taiwan ahead of doomed U.N. bid By Ralph Jennings
Sat Sep 15, 6:39 AM ET



TAIPEI (Reuters) - About 250,000 people demonstrated in two Taiwan cities on Saturday to back the island's doomed efforts at securing United Nations membership, a move condemned by rival Beijing and rejected by ally Washington.

Some 150,000 people, including President Chen Shui-bian, marched through the southern port city of Kaohsiung in pro-U.N. green shirts and waving flags. Political opposition forces in Taichung meanwhile marshaled at least 100,000 people.

"The biggest thing is for the United Nations and the United States to notice that this U.N. effort is not just something Chen Shui-bian is doing," said Kaohsiung demonstrator Wang Chun-kai, 35, a businessman from the nearby city of Tainan.

Government officials say they know the U.N. bid will fail, prompting speculation that the ruling Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) has used it to solidify a long-term agenda of greater independence from China by stirring anger at home.

The United Nations is expected to reject the bid on Tuesday.

"The U.N. bid, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with getting into the U.N.," said Ralph Cossa, president of the U.S.-based think tank Pacific Forum CSIS.

"I think it is mostly tied into the Taiwan identity issue and the DPP's efforts to lock future administrations into this mindset."

The DPP plans to hold a referendum alongside Taiwan's presidential election next March on whether the island should seek U.N. membership as a new member under the name Taiwan.

The referendum, which has raised tensions between Taiwan and its key ally the United States as Washington seeks better China ties, is expected to pass if it makes the tough administrative grade of qualifying for the ballot.

Foreign powers will note the referendum, if it passes, but not waiver in their support for China, political analysts say.

China sounded off on Saturday. Shanghai, a likely target of Taiwan missiles in the event of conflict, held a major air raid drill, a sign China still views war as a possibility.

Repeated attempts by Taiwan to join the United Nations under its formal title, the Republic of China, have failed in the past decade, most recently in July. The United Nations ousted Taipei in favor of Beijing in 1971.

China's status as a veto-wielding member of the U.N. Security Council means the island stands no chance of entry.

China has seen self-ruled, democratic Taiwan as part of its territory rather than as a separate country since the island broke away from Mao Zedong's Communists after civil war in 1949.

For Washington, now increasingly engaged with Beijing on economic and regional security issues, the island is needlessly and dangerously provoking China by pressing for U.N. membership.


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It really is quite sad.
Here we have a prosperous Democratic country that simply b/c of its history, China wants to annexe it. And the West (the US and EU) is trying to appease the Chinese government rather then help this country out.

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quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
It really is quite sad.
Here we have a prosperous Democratic country that simply b/c of its history, China wants to annexe it. And the West (the US and EU) is trying to appease the Chinese government rather then help this country out.


Diplomacy is a lot like a chess game. You make a move here, there are implications over there. But unlike a chess game with two players, the diplomatic game has over 100. What a game that is

It's unfortunate for Taiwan.


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quote:
Originally posted by CHRles
It really is quite sad.
Here we have a prosperous Democratic country that simply b/c of its history, China wants to annexe it. And the West (the US and EU) is trying to appease the Chinese government rather then help this country out.


It's never been independent from China. It's just Chinese people that left the mainland to a territory that was already part of China and then decided to separate. It's like saying Quebec should be it's own independent country and Canada is oppressing them by not allowing it. Quebec is a prosperous Democratic 'country' in it's own right, but the rest of the federation won't allow it's secession. It's pretty straightforward. It is the same as a particular state trying to leave the US federation. Would the federal government allow it? I doubt it.


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