but I'm really getting sick of hearing DJs (especially bigtime and local) say that using Ableton for DJing is cheating. J00F said on his latest Electronic Grooves "I didn't cheat and use Ableton Live or anything like that, used good old Pioneer CDJ decks." What the fuck... get over your magical fader pushing powers


Spending at least 10 minutes on warping a track, then effecting/editing it to hell just somehow does not sound like cheating in my opinion.

We all know where this thread could go.

But yeah, I'm fucking tired of it too. Though I will say DJ Enferno can do some impressive live remixing on mostly analog equipment.

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Originally posted by iammesol Spending at least 10 minutes on warping a track, then effecting/editing it to hell just somehow does not sound like cheating in my opinion.

its all done before a gig though then u just push play i think thats what alot of djs are doing with it and nothing else thats the problem people have with it.

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Spending at least 10 minutes on warping a track

huh? it takes like 10 seconds...

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Originally posted by nefardec huh? it takes like 10 seconds...

my thoughts + what sleepydragon said


Furthermore, I think mixing with Ableton is boring as hell

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Well, there's no doubt that ableton makes mixing a hell of a lot easier to the point where all one need do is push play. However, I agree that DJs saying this is a bad thing is complete and utter bullshit. The job of a DJ is not to brag about how skilled they are at beatmatching and mixing, it is to provide a continuous, danceable rhythm. This possible in Ableton, even easy, making it a better tool for DJs than decks and CDJs. So Luddite DJs should really stop acting cool because they "don't cheat."

For the record, I'm not saying that people should only use Ableton. Use decks if you want, but don't get all high and mighty while you do it.

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myth: Ableton mixes for you

reality: Ableton beatmatches for you, you still have to do all of your own fading and eqing etc...everything and anything a dj using decks would do, but you CAN do more because in theory you have an infinite number of decks and god knows how much more cooler effects and techniques. its
up to the user to elaborate and use ableton to his advantage.

myth: you cant cheat with CDJs

reality: yes you can! the beat detection in the pioneer cdj1000s is so good that all you have to do is move the pitch slider up just enough to change it to the next bpm and do the same with the other deck and boom instantly synced tempo (and the more precise the decimal the better i.e. +8,+10,+16). as long as you are playing direct from the master mp3s (beatport etc) it will sync up perfectly 98% of the time. vinyl rips dont work though.


in summation, ableton and cdjs are at the same level of "cheatability" if you ask me.

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Originally posted by Blake_Jarrell in summation, ableton and cdjs are at the same level of "cheatability" if you ask me.

/thread - Thanks for playing everyone

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i've used them both and will use them both again. the only thing that i wouldn't do and only b/c i am a nobody and hence forth feel like i should pay my dues is warping tracks. but i mean honestly, people like halliwell and etc that warp tracks should be allowed. they've been around long enough, who cares.

halliwell uses ableton?

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