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Krypton
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Question Who Will Pay for Iraq and When?

While these companies {CLICK} makes billions in profits, we the people continue to pay a price in the silent tax "inflation" used to pay the interest the bank owes to Federal Reserve (which isn't Federal and hardly a Reserve), from the loans used to pay for the wars and unlimited spending of the government.

Seriously, we need a revolution to bring these people into account and reform their wasteful ways...
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Who Will Pay for Iraq and When?
By Jonathan Coopersmith

Mr. Coopersmith teaches history at Texas A & M University and is a writer for the History News Service.

In all the heated words about the Iraq war, we've heard little or nothing about paying for it. Regardless of how you feel about the war, you must concede that it is going to cost us all dearly.

The Iraq war is consuming over $1.4 billion a week -- or $200 million a day. In the time it takes you to read this article, the American government will have spent $700,000 on the war. The war has cost $200 billion already. Economists have estimated the war's ultimate bill will be $1-2 trillion, which includes costs such as the hospitalization and long-term care of tens of thousands of wounded veterans, interest payments on the wartime debt and replacement of worn-out equipment.

The enormous expense of the Iraq war is no surprise: historically, wars cost money, lots of it. In the past, paying for wars has often provided the impetus for new and more efficient ways of taxing citizens. Lotteries, an essential source of income for 42 states today, helped pay for the Revolutionary War. The income tax first surfaced in the United States to pay the huge costs of the Civil War, although the Supreme Court declared the tax unconstitutional after the war.

Half a century later, in 1913, Congress passed an income tax. That progressive tax began at 1 percent for married couples making over $4,000 and rose to 7 percent on incomes over $500,000. To pay for World War I, the top rate rose to 77 percent on income over $2 million, although the number of people earning $2 million then was minuscule. To pay for World War II, Congress expanded the number of people paying income taxes from 4 to 42 million and increased the top rate to 91 percent. Excess-profits taxes brought in even more money, as did sales of savings bonds.

And those were "good" wars. Controversial wars, such as the Iraq war today, have been harder to fund. Lyndon Johnson and his successor, Richard Nixon, failed to raise taxes sufficiently to pay for the Vietnam War, partly because of opposition to the war from liberals and others and to Johnson's war on poverty from conservatives. Neither left nor right wanted to fund what they considered as dangerously misguided government policies.

Consequently, growing deficits and cuts to politically vulnerable parts of the federal budget marked attempts by Johnson and Nixon to pay for the war in Vietnam. Among the cuts were scientific and technical research that could have had long-term benefits; cutting such funding meant slower long-term growth. The deficits also helped spark an inflationary spiral that persisted through the 1970s. This inflation reduced the value of the dollar, a less direct but longer-lasting cost of the Vietnam war.

The most impressive wartime financing ever was by President Bush's father, George H. W. Bush, in the first Gulf War of 1990-91. The first President Bush and his advisers worked through diplomacy to persuade countries like Japan to pay almost all of America's immediate war costs.

In the case of Iraq, instead of raising taxes to pay for the war, the current Bush administration is cutting them, adding hundreds of billions of dollars to the federal deficit. The Bush administration has raised the ceiling on the national debt from $5.95 trillion in 2001 to $9.62 trillion in 2006, an increase of over 60 percent in five years. All this debt must eventually be repaid by taxing us, our children and our grandchildren.

Why this flight from financial reality? No politician likes to raise taxes. The Bush Administration has made cutting taxes a policy hallmark and has vigorously opposed any discussion of raising any taxes.

Before it invaded Iraq, the White House disavowed its treasury secretary, John Snow, who estimated the war would cost $100-200 billion. The administration argued that the war would cost only a few tens of billions of dollars, hardly enough to get excited about. Since then, the administration has funded the war through annual supplemental requests instead of regular budget appropriations, effectively hiding the war's cost.

For their part, Democrats have not tried to pay for the war by raising taxes for fear the Republicans will call them "tax-and-spend" liberals. Although this is a far more responsible policy than being a "borrow-and-spend" conservative, a platform of fiscal frugality will not win elections in today's polarized political climate. Nor, afraid of being accused of not supporting the troops, have Democrats attempted to challenge funding for the war.

Equally important, investors, including the Chinese government, are financing the war in Iraq by buying Treasury bonds. Foreign investors are not buying bonds because they agree with American foreign policy; they buy bonds as a good investment that will be repaid with interest -- by taxes on Americans for decades to come.

Both the Congress and the president deserve blame for not fulfilling their constitutional duty to find the funding for the Iraq war. But especially for an administration that uses historical events to justify its actions, it's sad that the president and his supporters have not learned one of the most important lessons of history: fiscal responsibility.

http://www.hnn.us/articles/31431.html


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A revolution?


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I will pay.

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A revolution?


A revolution is a movement that brings about a major change. Obviously, you want things to stay exactly as they are...

quote:
I will pay.


3% inflation over 10 years amounts to a 30% decrease in spending power. Now how many people's wages rise by that much? And that's only if the rate stays at 3% all 10 years. Havn't you been watching our spending power decrease against other currencies...Not a coincidence..

Trust me, if you don't want change, you will keep paying.


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A revolution is a movement that brings about a major change. Obviously, you want things to stay exactly as they are...


Dude there are plenty of revolutions in Cuba, Venezuela.... all types of them i must say, economical, social etc. Thank god these revolutions have solved their problems.

Lets all tell the american people to start one at home? dude this is not latin america or w.e you think we are. havent you learn anything.... these is a country that denounces revolution and holds on the ideals of evolution


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Dude there are plenty of revolutions in Cuba, Venezuela.... all types of them i must say, economical, social etc. Thank god these revolutions have solved their problems.

Lets all tell the american people to start one at home? dude this is not latin america or w.e you think we are. havent you learn anything.... these is a country that denounces revolution and holds on the ideals of evolution




lol Declaration of Independence and Revolutionary War lol


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Dude there are plenty of revolutions in Cuba, Venezuela.... all types of them i must say, economical, social etc. Thank god these revolutions have solved their problems.

Lets all tell the american people to start one at home? dude this is not latin america or w.e you think we are. havent you learn anything.... these is a country that denounces revolution and holds on the ideals of evolution


Why do you assume a revolution is a total change of social structure or that is a coup or violent? Ghandi? MLK? Do these peaceful revolutions say anything to you? and they were assassinated!

As you can see by the millions who protested Iraq{{CLICK}}, and the general sentiment of the scenario (4th post down), a movement is building that goes against unjustified wars.


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lol Declaration of Independence and Revolutionary War lol


Can I be the first Declaration of Independence denier?

I mean really, what a stupid thing to beleive in. If there actually was this theoretical tea party, wouldn't Boston's harbour be Earl Grey flavour?

Therefore the Declaration of Independence should be taught only as a theory, as should the theory of democratic evolution.

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MLK A revolutionist? OMFG

Please dont keep embarrassing yourself close this thread man


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lol Declaration of Independence and Revolutionary War lol


That was a revolution for our independence

Since when has America turned to revolutions to solve our problems?


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MLK A revolutionist? OMFG

Please dont keep embarrassing yourself close this thread man


Are you fucking retarded? Does Civil Rights Movement ring a bell?? Wow, just wow..


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That was a revolution for our independence

Since when has America turned to revolutions to solve our problems?


Just one example...{{CLICK}}


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