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The_Groove
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Davis, CA
Question Trying to make a Mixed CD

I am trying to figure out how to create a good quality mixed CD to promote with. Could someone please walk me through recording the set with my computer? Can I just plug something into something? Any help is appreciated.

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Bear4569
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Rochester, New York
Talking Hooking up to your computer

Well...first off...do you have a PC or Mac ? If you have a Mac then it is out of my realm of knowledge....but if you have a PC I hope this will help you out. First off...you need a program that will record from your soundcard, in other words, anything that is coming out of your soundcard will be recorded. If you don' t have that then that is the first thing that you need to pick up a program that will do such a task. Second...you have to run your mixer to your computer. From the mixer it should come from the master out on the back of your mixer to the line in on the back of your computer...there should be three spots that you can plug into. I supposse you would like to know what kind of cable you can do that with...well you need a cable that has stereo jacks (red and black/or white) and the other end needs to be a headphone size jack...or ministereo jack...I think that is what it's called. Once you do this...you should be all set to go. Hopefully this will help you, if you have any other questions or something is different then what I have said then let me know and I will see what I can do for you. Either reply to this or PM me.

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The_Groove
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Smiley DJ Thank you

Thanks, now I just have one other problem. My tables are downstairs and my computer is upstairs... Hmm.... I wonder if they have super duper extension cords for that kinda stuff...

Anyway, thanks for getting me started. This has been something I have wanted to do for a while but never gotten around to.


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P`zazz
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Registered: Jan 2002
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Yeap, Bear4569 Is Right, For The Recording Software I Suggest Total Recorder. Now The Cable You Need Has To Have RCA On One End (The Red And Black/White One) And On The Other End A 1/8 Inch Jack That Will Connect On Your Sound Cards Input. The RCA Will Go To Your Mixer Or Amp. After You Have Recorded Your Set You Can Use Sound Forge To Chop It Up To Tracks. And Remember When You Burn It On CD To Have The Option 'Track-At-Once' Enabled To Eliminate The Gap Between The Tracks.

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JohnSmith
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Registered: Apr 2002
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Re: Thank you

quote:
Originally posted by The_Groove
Thanks, now I just have one other problem. My tables are downstairs and my computer is upstairs... Hmm.... I wonder if they have super duper extension cords for that kinda stuff...

Anyway, thanks for getting me started. This has been something I have wanted to do for a while but never gotten around to.


move your computer upstairs. you might be able to get a super long extension cord, but you'd probably have to patch them together.

this will result in quality degradation.

you want the shortest possible route from your mixer to your computer.

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Technaut
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I as wodnering how long everones cables are for doing this, my PC is like 5 feet away from my mixer and I dunno if there are cables long enough?


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The_Groove
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Registered: Apr 2002
Location: Davis, CA
Thanks!

I appreciate the responses I have been getting. You are getting me all amped to do this. If only I were not at work. I guess I'll have to move my comp downstairs and record away. I'm assuming if I mess up a mix, I start the whole thing over? Kinda new to the demo thing.


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Andrew K
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Salonica, Greece

I had the same problem, and this is the solution...

TTS > MiniDisc
Minidisc > PC

no loss of quality

try to find one MD to record directly from your amp and then move to your pc to write the set from the MD... you just have to hear the set again.


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Dj Thy
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Registered: May 2001
Location: Belgium, Earth

If you want full record/editing/burning features, I suggest you find Wavelab and Samplitude. They allow you to record, edit (normalize, trim, paste, ...) and make the recording ready for burning on cd (set track indexes, and do the actual burning). Soundforge is good too, but it lacks a disk-at-once preparation feature (you can't make a constant mix-cd with indexes, you'll have to use another prog/plugin for that).

I should say that editing should be kept on a strict minimum, like trimming the start and end of the recording (so you don't have 5 seconds of silence at the beginning of the cd for example). Try not to use editing to cover up for mistakes, as this is mainly considered cheating

As for the recording itself, I explained it some time ago, do a search and you'll find it. But as a reminder I'll tell you this : to have the optimum recording level, watch the meters of the prog you're using (again those progs I suggested have very accurate meters, with Wavelab having the best meters imo). The loudest signals should come as close to 0 dB as possible, without reaching that mark (so let's say, max level -0.1 dB). Don't go over 0dB in the digital domain, as this means clipping, and digital clipping is very bad.

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DJTJ
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Originally posted by Dj_Andrew_K
I had the same problem, and this is the solution...

TTS > MiniDisc
Minidisc > PC

no loss of quality

Wrong, I'm afraid. MDs do not actually record at CD quality, but somewhere close to. It's like the equivalent of a 320kbps MP3 or something (but not).

Recording to MD requires that you send the signal:
- over an analog cable into the MD. Quality loss 1.
- through the MD's analog-digital converter. Quality loss 2.
- encoded into MD compression format (I can't remember what the format is called, but I know it does it). Quality loss 3.
- MD is played back through an analog cable into the computer. Quality loss 4.
- Through the soundcard's analog-digital converter. Quality loss 5.

Compare this to recording straight to the computer. The signal travels:
- over an analog cable into the computer. Quality loss 1.
- through the soundcard's analog-digital converter. Quality loss 2.

5 vs 2. You do the math.

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Andrew K
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Registered: Aug 2001
Location: Salonica, Greece

well I ain't good at maths...
The only thing I know is that the quality is still almost perfect to burn it to CD


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skywarp
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Registered: Sep 2000
Location: Edmonton, AB

DJTJ, that's true - in theory.

In the real world, I'll bet you ANYTHING that you won't be able to tell the difference between those two recordings.


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