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HardTranceProd
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Unconcerned Bush to authorize a new operation in Turkey

Is this man delusional or what?
Some Congressional members who met him recently have commented on how unconcerned and happy he seems to be these days.

Now he's about to authorize a new operation in Turkey - against the Kurds.

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The morass in Iraq and deepening difficulties in Afghanistan have not deterred the Bush administration from taking on a dangerous and questionable new secret operation. High-level U.S. officials are working with their Turkish counterparts on a joint military operation to suppress Kurdish guerrillas and capture their leaders. Through covert activity, their goal is to forestall Turkey from invading Iraq.

While detailed operational plans are necessarily concealed, the broad outlines have been presented to select members of Congress as required by law. U.S. Special Forces are to work with the Turkish army to suppress the Kurds' guerrilla campaign. The Bush administration is trying to prevent another front from opening in Iraq, which would have disastrous consequences. But this gamble risks major exposure and failure.

The Turkish initiative reflects the temperament and personality of George W. Bush. Even faithful congressional supporters of his Iraq policy have been stunned by the president's upbeat mood, which makes him appear oblivious to the loss of his political base. Despite the failing effort to impose a military solution in Iraq, he is willing to try imposing arms -- though clandestinely -- on Turkey's ancient problems with its Kurdish minority, who comprise one-fifth of the country's population.

The development of an autonomous Kurdish entity inside Iraq, resulting from the decline and fall of Saddam Hussein, has alarmed the Turkish government. That led to Ankara's refusal to allow U.S. combat troops to enter Iraq through Turkey, an eleventh-hour complication for the 2003 invasion. As the Kurds' political power grew inside Iraq, the Turkish government became steadily more uneasy about the centuries-old project of a Kurdistan spreading across international boundaries -- and chewing up big pieces of Turkey.

The dormant Turkish Kurd guerrilla fighters of the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) came to life. By June, the Turkish government was demonstrating its concern by lobbing artillery shells across the border. Ankara began protesting, to both Washington and Baghdad, that the PKK was using northern Iraq as a base for guerrilla operations. On July 11, in Washington, Turkish Ambassador Nabi Sensoy became the first Turkish official to assert publicly that Iraqi Kurds have claims on Turkish territory. On July 20, just two days before his successful reelection, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan threatened a military incursion into Iraq against the Kurds. Last Wednesday, Murat Karayilan, head of the PKK political council, predicted that "the Turkish Army will attack southern Kurdistan."

Turkey has a well-trained, well-equipped army of 250,000 near the border, facing some 4,000 PKK fighters hiding in the mountains of northern Iraq. But significant cross-border operations surely would bring to the PKK's side the military forces of the Kurdistan Regional Government, the best U.S. ally in Iraq. What is Washington to do in the dilemma of two friends battling each other on an unwanted new front in Iraq?

The surprising answer was given in secret briefings on Capitol Hill last week by Eric S. Edelman, a former aide to Vice President Cheney who is now undersecretary of defense for policy. Edelman, a Foreign Service officer who once was U.S. ambassador to Turkey, revealed to lawmakers plans for a covert operation of U.S. Special Forces to help the Turks neutralize the PKK. They would behead the guerrilla organization by helping Turkey get rid of PKK leaders that they have targeted for years.

Edelman's listeners were stunned. Wasn't this risky? He responded that he was sure of success, adding that the U.S. role could be concealed and always would be denied. Even if all this is true, some of the briefed lawmakers left wondering whether this was a wise policy for handling the beleaguered Kurds, who had been betrayed so often by the U.S. government in years past.

The plan shows that hard experience has not dissuaded President Bush from attempting difficult ventures employing the use of force. On the contrary, two of the most intrepid supporters of the Iraq intervention -- John McCain and Lindsey Graham-- were surprised by Bush during a recent meeting with him. When they shared their impressions with colleagues, they commented on how unconcerned the president seemed. That may explain his willingness to embark on such a questionable venture against the Kurds.


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Oh my ... I'm appalled ... I cant .. find .. words .. to describe what I'm thinking.

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quote:
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Oh my ... I'm appalled ... I cant .. find .. words .. to describe what I'm thinking.


lol seriously? or are you being sarcastic? this news doesn't really surprise me one bit. It's more of a "told you so" thing. This man should have never been allowed to run for President to begin with.

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quote:
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lol seriously? or are you being sarcastic? this news doesn't really surprise me one bit. It's more of a "told you so" thing. This man should have never been allowed to run for President to begin with.


Killing Kurds ... Jesus Christ, I never saw that coming from Bush. The way I see it is Kurds as a buffer zone between the rising Turkish aspirations and the Iraq. Divide and conquer, right? Something wrong going on in the US administration minds ... but yeah, the things that have happened with around the current US administration, I shouldn't have been as surprised. I just thought that Kurds are very important to the US in Iraq - most important group IMO (their 'BIG' ally that I thought before). Weird stuff. Attacking and killing your best friends is not a good strategy, especially when its done to appease a brutal and dangerous regime of Turkey.

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quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


Killing Kurds ... Jesus Christ, I never saw that coming from Bush. The way I see it is Kurds as a buffer zone between the rising Turkish aspirations and the Iraq. Divide and conquer, right? Something wrong going on in the US administration minds ... but yeah, the things that have happened with around the current US administration, I shouldn't have been as surprised. I just thought that Kurds are very important to the US in Iraq - most important group IMO (their 'BIG' ally that I thought before). Weird stuff. Attacking and killing your best friends is not a good strategy, especially when its done to appease a brutal and dangerous regime of Turkey.


Didn't the US invade Iraq to take Saddam out of power for the killing of the Kurds back in '91 or whatever? I'm pretty sure that was one of their excuses for the war wasn't it?

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HardTranceProd
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i thought the Kurds were our friends?

Theirs was the only peaceful area of Iraq. Looks like this idiot is making enemies faster than he can kill them

Say "hello" to complete chaos and disintegration of Iraq.

P.S.: I would've thought the Kurds were a closer friend than the Turks... The Turks refused the NATO's request to use their bases during the war...


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quote:
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i thought the Kurds were our friends?

Theirs was the only peaceful area of Iraq. Looks like this idiot is making enemies faster than he can kill them

Say "hello" to complete chaos and disintegration of Iraq.

P.S.: I would've thought the Kurds were a closer friend than the Turks... The Turks refused the NATO's request to use their bases during the war...


EXACTLY. Thats along the lines of how I think. Kurds are more important than Turkey to stability in Iraq. US with all its power and influence in the world, USA should tell Turkey to back off. But then again, for USA Turkey is far more important than Iraqi stability ... Turkey is their ally, with a pro-American government that can do more than Kurds ever can - because of the power and size of Turkey, and strategic location.

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quote:
Originally posted by infinity HiGH
Didn't the US invade Iraq to take Saddam out of power for the killing of the Kurds back in '91 or whatever? I'm pretty sure that was one of their excuses for the war wasn't it?


Now that I think of it ... USA never gave a shit about the Kurds. They never supported their statehood. They gave arms to Saddam and allowed their allies to give chemical/biological weapons to Saddam and supported Saddam quietly when Saddam slaughtered Kurds. When Americans invaded Kuwait in Desert Storm war, Marsh Arabs and Kurds rose up, hoping Americans would come to their aid or help them in any way whatsoever ... but, NO HELP AT ALL came. Americans just simply watched quietly as Saddam slaughtered these people ... and funny enough, these groups support USA today.

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quote:
Originally posted by Magnetonium


Now that I think of it ... USA never gave a shit about the Kurds. They never supported their statehood. They gave arms and supported quietly (by not doing anything) when Saddam brutalized and used USA's and their allies' weapons to slaughter Kurds. When Americans invaded Kuwait in Desert Storm war, Marsh Arabs and Kurds rose up, hoping Americans would come to their aid or help them in any way whatsoever ... but, NO HELP AT ALL came. Americans just simply watched quietly as Saddam slaughtered these people ... and funny enough, these groups support USA today.


These groups rose up at the behest of the Americans too, but when they did, the Americans stood by and watched them get slaughtered.

God Bless America!

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and then they wonder why everyone hates them?lol


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Fortunately this is a mere opinion piece and not investigative reporting by the actual press.

Unfortunately it's Bob Novak who has all the Republican connections in the world and pretty much knows every whisper in their world.

Let's see how events transpire a little more before jumping to a conclusion first.


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quote:
Originally posted by HardTranceProd
i thought the Kurds were our friends?



Nope, we were always at war with the Kurds. It's EurAsia that is our friend... or was that EastAsia?

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