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Capitalizt
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Who Restarted the Cold War?

We've been hearing lots of Putin-bashing in America lately, with the media taking a "Once a KGB, always a KGB" attitude towards him. What we haven't been getting are FACTS that are behind the decisions he has been making. After reading this article, it seems to me that Russia is perfectly justified in taking a stand against America. We (re)started this little war after all..

http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan71.html

Who Restarted the Cold War?

by Patrick J. Buchanan October 19, 2007


"Putin's Hostile Course," the lead editorial in The Washington Times of Oct. 18, began thus:

"Russian President Vladimir Putin's invitation to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to visit Moscow is just the latest sign that, more than 16 years after the collapse of Soviet communism, Moscow is gravitating toward Cold War behavior. The old Soviet obsession – fighting American imperialism – remains undiluted. ...

"(A)t virtually every turn, Mr. Putin and the Russian leadership appear to be doing their best in ways large and small to marginalize and embarrass the United States and undercut U.S. foreign policy interests."

The Times pointed to Putin's snub of Robert Gates and Condi Rice by having them cool their heels for 40 minutes before a meeting. Then came a press briefing where Putin implied Russia may renounce the Reagan-Gorbachev INF treaty, which removed all U.S. and Soviet medium-range missiles from Europe, and threatened to pull out of the Conventional Forces in Europe Treaty, whereby Russia moved its tanks and troops far from the borders of Eastern Europe.

On and on the Times indictment went. Russia was blocking new sanctions on Iran. Russia was selling anti-aircraft missiles to Iran. Russia was selling weapons to Syria that found their way to Hezbollah and Hamas. Russia and Iran were talking up an OPEC-style natural gas cartel. All this, said the Times, calls to mind "Soviet-era behavior."

Missing from the prosecution's case, however, was the motive. Why has Putin's Russia turned hostile? Why is Putin mending fences with China, Iran and Syria? Why is Putin sending Bear bombers to the edge of American airspace? Why has Russia turned against America? For Putin's approval rating is three times that of George Bush. Who restarted the Cold War?

To answer that question, let us go back those 16 years.

What happened in 1991 and 1992?

Well, Russia let the Berlin Wall be torn down and its satellite states be voted or thrown out of power across Eastern Europe. Russia agreed to pull the Red Army all the way back inside its border. Russia agreed to let the Soviet Union dissolve into 15 nations. The Communist Party agreed to share power and let itself be voted out. Russia embraced freedom and American-style capitalism, and invited Americans in to show them how it was done.

Russia did not use its veto in the Security Council to block the U.S. war to drive Saddam Hussein, an ally, out of Kuwait. When 9-11 struck, Putin gave his blessing to U.S. troops using former republics as bases for the U.S. invasion.

What was Moscow's reward for its pro-America policy?

The United States began moving NATO into Eastern Europe and then into former Soviet republics. Six ex-Warsaw Pact nations are now NATO allies, as are three ex-republics of the Soviet Union. NATO expansionists have not given up on bringing Ukraine, united to Russia for centuries, or Georgia, Stalin's birthplace, into NATO.

In 1999, the United States bombed Serbia, which has long looked to Mother Russia for protection, for 78 days, though the Serbs' sole crime was to fight to hold their cradle province of Kosovo, as President Lincoln fought to hold onto the American South. Now America is supporting the severing of Kosovo from Serbia and creation of a new Islamic state in the Balkans, over Moscow's protest.

While Moscow removed its military bases from Cuba and all over the Third World, we have sought permanent military bases in Russia's backyard of Central Asia.

We dissolved the Nixon-Brezhnev ABM treaty and announced we would put a missile defense system in Poland and the Czech Republic.

Under presidents Clinton and Bush, the United States financed a pipeline for Caspian Sea oil to transit Azerbaijan and Georgia to the Black Sea and Turkey, cutting Russia out of the action.

With the end of the Cold War, the KGB was abolished and the Comintern disappeared. But the National Endowment for Democracy, Freedom House and other Cold War agencies, funded with tens of millions in tax-exempt and tax dollars, engineered the ouster of pro-Russian regimes in Serbia, Ukraine and Georgia, and sought the ouster of the regime in Minsk.

At the Cold War's end, the United States was given one of the great opportunities of history: to embrace Russia, largest nation on earth, as partner, friend, ally. Our mutual interests meshed almost perfectly. There was no ideological, territorial, historic or economic quarrel between us, once communist ideology was interred.

We blew it.

We moved NATO onto Russia's front porch, ignored her valid interests and concerns, and, with our "indispensable-nation" arrogance, treated her as a defeated power, as France treated Weimar Germany after Versailles.

Who restarted the Cold War? Bush and the braying hegemonists he brought with him to power. Great empires and tiny minds go ill together.

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Thanks for posting this Capitalizt, interesting stuff .


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spot on by Buchanan as usual, the war lobby in washington is looking to cut the losses in Iraq and spread wars elsewhere and against Russia the most

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The same people who started the first cold war.

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Nice to see some level-headed diplomacy around the world. The US establishment needs someone to tell them "no" for once. Maybe we won't be so quick to go after Iran.

If there was a draft, I guarantee there would be another anti-war movement going on just like the 60's-70's..


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quote:
Originally posted by shaolin_Z
Thanks for posting this Capitalizt, interesting stuff .

Very interesting indeed


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Re: Who Restarted the Cold War?

quote:
Originally posted by Capitalizt

At the Cold War's end, the United States was given one of the great opportunities of history: to embrace Russia, largest nation on earth, as partner, friend, ally. Our mutual interests meshed almost perfectly. There was no ideological, territorial, historic or economic quarrel between us, once communist ideology was interred.

We blew it.



Just imagine how great both countries could of been...

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Great article, thanks for posting that.


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Oh, when few years back (and in 1990s) when openly anti-Russian leaders are elected on the post-Soviet scene, when Bush and other Western leaders quickly visit them and then invite them back to the White House for chit chat, its not called the beginning of Cold War ...

OH WAIT ... the article DID mention SOME of these and other government level anti-Russian actions over the last few years, double standards ...

Its not a Cold War. Its a balance of power on the world scene. Russia doesnt want a one-polar world. We want a multi-polar world. Its not Cold War at all. By your judgement, European Union is a sign of anti-American movement and sorts of Cold War. No, its just different countries and regions uniting together to serve their own regional interests and goal that cannot be represented by foreign governments and agenda.

All the current Russian actions mentioned in that article are direct response to anti-Russian actions, like Russian planning to leave the missile treaty, when its obvious that American missiles are going to be deployed near Russia. Russia offered to share with NATO its radar and missle tracking bases in its South. NATO refused. So Russia has every right to protect itself from the exagerrated and highly improbable Iranian threat (that defies common sense).

Russia and its allies have every right to protect themselves against clearly anti-Russian motivations.


"Meanwhile, ex-secretary of state, Madeline Albright, recently called Siberia too vast and wealthy a region to belong to Russia alone. Albright said it was not fair. It stands to reason to assume that Albright was of the same mind when she had held a senior position in civil service and had merely been too diplomatic to speak her mind. It certainly seems that all US leaders are of the same frame of mind. No wonder the White House is out to secure its positions in the Persian Gulf, in the Caspian region, and other strategic oil and gas bearing areas. "

SOURCE: http://www.partnershipforglobalsecurity.org/Projects%20and%20Publications/News/Nuclear%20News/2005/6162005112334AM.html


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During Putin's annual President Line show which he does at his own discretion, where he spends about 3 full hours of answering people's questions live and directly on television - no cuts or edits (which no leader in the world does) with mobile stations established all over the country and neighbouring republics where people can gather around these digital broadcast stations directly linked by satellite to Kremlin for live viewing on giant screens (aired few days ago, can be full viewed and full transcript read on http://www.president-line.ru/ ). If you speak Russia and have seen the recent one, you can truly understand that Putin does care for Russia and its people.

Here was one of the questions asked to him (I found an English translation):

quote:

A mechanic from Siberia asks Russia's president Putin about Madeleine Albright's complaint that Siberia has too many resources to belong only to Russia.

A 'Sort of Political Erotica'

The most internationally resonating remarks might have come when a mechanic from the Siberian city of Novosibirsk asked Mr. Putin about comments he said were made some years ago by former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, who suggested that Siberia had too many natural resources to belong to one country.

"I know that some politicians play with such ideas in their heads. This, in my view, is the sort of political erotica that might satisfy a person but hardly leads to a positive result," Mr. Putin responded. "The best example of that are the events in Iraq -- a small country that can hardly defend itself and which possesses huge oil reserves. And we see what's going on there. They've learned to shoot there, but they are not managing to bring order."

"One can wipe off a political map some tyrannical regime … but it's absolutely pointless to fight with a people," he said. "Russia, thank God, isn't Iraq. It has enough strength and power to defend itself and its interests, both on its territory and in other parts of the world."

Mr. Putin went on to say he believes one of the U.S. "goals is to establish control of the country's oil reserves," and that a concrete date must be set for the withdrawal of U.S. troops. Unless such a date is set, he added in an echo of some U.S. war critics, "the Iraqi leadership, feeling [safe] under the reliable American umbrella, will not hurry to develop its own armed and law enforcement forces."




quote:

President Vladimir Putin answered questions from around the country in a live television and radio broadcast.

The Hot Line with the President broadcast lasted for two hours and fifty-four minutes.

Over this time, Mr Putin answered more than 50 questions asked via live linkups to different parts of the country, by telephone and also sent in to the Hot Line website.

The great majority of questions – 41 of those asked – were about Russian domestic issues. Nine people asked questions about international issues and two questions were personal in nature.

In total, the President received more than 2.3 million questions, of which around 2.2 million came in by telephone and 100,000 via the Internet. People could also send their questions by SMS during the broadcast.

Direct television linkups were organised with the towns of Baltiisk, Bryansk, Irkutsk, Kaspiisk, Kondopoga, Naberezhniye Chelny, Nakhodka, Tver, and the village of Podgorodnyaya Pokrovka in Orenburg Region.

Residents of Sevastopol also put their questions to the President during the live broadcast.



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Little of the marathon three-hour session was devoted to Putin's political future after his expected departure from office next year.

A man from Kazan, however, asked Putin why he had decided to lead the ticket for United Russia -- the country's dominant pro-Kremlin party -- in the Dec. 2 State Duma elections.

After a lengthy tangent about the beauty of the Kazan Kremlin, Putin said he had made the decision to ensure continuity after the 2008 presidential transition.

"In 2008, here, in the Kremlin, there will be a different person," Putin said. "Under these conditions, it is extremely important to preserve the stable course of our government."

Putin criticized the work of previous Dumas, saying they had passed populist bills that were unrealistic to implement and praised the current Duma, dominated by United Russia and often criticized as a rubber-stamp legislature.

"It is extremely important that the Duma after the 2007 elections be competent," he said. "United Russia was the key element in the efficiency of the Duma in recent years. That's why I chose to head its ticket."


Analysts and opposition parties said Putin violated campaign laws, which bar parties from campaigning until Nov. 3.

"If someone from the opposition had praised a party, he would have violated the law, but not the president," said Yury Korgunyuk, an analyst at the Indem think tank.

Central Elections Commission chief Vladimir Churov said he had "no objections" to Putin's remarks about United Russia, RIA-Novosti reported.

At no point did Putin identify his preferred successor, nor did anyone directly ask him the question. In a meeting with reporters afterward, though, he hinted at his vision for the country's power structure after 2008.

"Right now, our center for decision making is the head of state -- the president. And according to the Constitution, the government is the main executive body," Putin said, Interfax reported. "Taking powers away from the government or giving it extra powers is inappropriate."

Putin also said he would not miss the presidency and that he was "building plans for the future."

He also compared himself to former U.S. President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

"Roosevelt laid out his plan for the country's development for decades in advance," prompting criticism from the U.S. elite, Putin told reporters, RIA-Novosti reported.


In one of his few nods to other politicians during the call-in session, Putin praised the anti-corruption efforts of Prime Minister Viktor Zubkov.

But Zubkov alone cannot solve the problem, he added. "As a society, we must become intolerant of these things, from petty bribes on the road to big-time government kickbacks," Putin said.

Putin touched on another hot-button issue -- security in the North Caucasus -- while speaking to questioners from Botlikh, Dagestan, a town that was attacked by Chechnya-based rebels in 1999.

While admitting that work still needed to be done, especially in terms of lifting the North Caucasus out of poverty, Putin stressed that the region's security had improved under his presidency.

"Terrorists who are trying to blow up the situation in the North Caucasus today have no chances," he said.

Not all of the questions addressed to Putin were serious.

A woman from Kazan asked him how he found time to study foreign languages. Putin replied that he occasionally took English lessons of 10 to 15 minutes, saying it was good to speak to foreign leaders without a translator sometimes.

The most surreal moment came when the call center put a woman directly in touch with Putin.

"I don't want to speak to you, I want to speak to Putin," she told a call center representative, who assured her that Putin was listening. When the president spoke, the woman did not initially believe it was him.

Putin finally convinced her, but then she seemed to forget her question. "Thank you," she said emotionally, and hung up.



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mag...judging from your first response, I get the feeling you misinterpreted the article. The author agrees with you.

by the way, I love your new avatar

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