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FORMER Iraqi President Saddam Hussein kept up the illusion that he had weapons of mass destruction before 2003 because he did not think the US would invade, accoding to an FBI agent who questioned him. -In an interview with CBS' 60 Minutes to be broadcast on Sunday, FBI agent George Piro describes conversations with Saddam in the months after his capture in December 2003. Mr Piro said Saddam, who was hanged from crimes against humanity in December 2006, wanted to maintain the image of a strong Iraq to deter Iran, its historic enemy, from hostile action. "He told me he initially miscalculated ... President (George W.) Bush's intentions. He thought the United States would retaliate with the same type of attack as we did in 1998... a four-day aerial attack," Mr Piro said. "He survived that one and he was willing to accept that type of attack," Mr Piro said, according to excerpts of the interview released on Thursday. CBS correspondent Scott Pelley asks Mr Piro: "He didn't believe the U.S. would invade?" Mr Piro answers: "No, not initially." No Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were found despite the Bush administration's warnings before the March 2003 invasion that Iraq's arsenal of banned weapons presented a threat to its neighbours and US interests. Once the invasion was certain, Saddam asked his generals if they could hold the invaders for two weeks, Mr Piro said. "And at that point, it would go into what he called the secret war," Mr Piro said, though he said he wasn't convinced that the insurgency was Saddam's plan. "Well, he would like to take credit for the insurgency," said Mr Piro. CBS said Mr Piro debriefed Saddam for almost seven months, trying to win his confidence by convincing him he was an important envoy answering to Mr Bush. "This and being Saddam's sole provider of items like writing materials and toiletries made the toppled Iraqi president open up to Piro, a Lebanese-American and one of the few FBI agents who spoke Arabic," CBS said. Even when it became clear that Saddam did not have weapons of mass destruction, he tried to keep up the mystery. "For him, it was critical that he was seen as still the strong, defiant Saddam. He thought that would prevent the Iranians from re-invading Iraq," Mr Piro said. The Iraqi leader had also intended to restart the weapons program and had the means to do it. "He still had the engineers. The folks that he needed to reconstitute his program are still there," Mr Piro said. "He wanted ... to reconstitute his entire WMD program."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,2359...0-38201,00.html

interesting, if true of course. but i really don't think the intel services are a friend of the bush administration anymore, so i see little reason to lie.

i always wondered why saddam wasn't a little more transparent since he obviously didn't possess any WMDs of importance.

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he fooled everyone. he fooled all intel services, even the Iranians

of course he's not give up that he doesn't have WMD's. he gave the world just enough keep just enough heat off of him up until he had no choice but to either surrender everything he had ever made and possesed and everything he would be forever or simply defy another American President. what the fuck do you think a man like that, in his position, would fucking do? the rest is history.

anyone who still thinks Bush lied about WMD's continues to fall for the lie.


EDIT> i'm not talking directly at you PKC

1. The west is entirely guilty of supplying WMDs to Saddam in the 1980's.
2. The burden on proof was not on Saddam Hussein, but what on the Bush administration to come up with undoubtable evidence of a supposed WMD arsenal.

This is an interesting revelation though. I'de like to know what was going on in the Baathist regime before, during, and after the March 2003 invasion.

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Originally posted by Q5echo anyone who still thinks Bush lied about WMD's continues to fall for the lie.

What do you call an untrue statement?

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Originally posted by Krypton What do you call an untrue statement?

that depends. if i know it to be untrue, its a lie. if i don't know that its untrue, i call it a mistake.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN that depends. if i know it to be untrue, its a lie. if i don't know that its untrue, i call it a mistake.

ok good. We have two outcomes.

1. Bush lied, people died.
2. Bush made some of the greatest mistakes any president has ever made and is therefore incompetent as a leader.

Whether the administration knowingly lied or not, the outcomes indicate gross incompetence.

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Originally posted by Krypton ok good. We have two outcomes. 1. Bush lied, people died. 2. Bush made some of the greatest mistakes any president has ever made. Whether the administration knowingly lied or not, the outcomes indicate gross incompetence.

im more inclined to believe #2, in reference to the WMDs. i think bush is a buffoon with NO understanding about the world.

and of course its "gross incompetence". ive been flying that flag for ages!

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This is what pisses me off about the whole situation...

Here in Tampa on AM talk radio, every station is dominated almost 100% by Bush loving right winging hate machines who talk nothing else but islamofascism. Or how stupid the democrats are. Or that if you are against the war, you're against the country. Rush Limbaugh, Tom Livin, MICHAEL SAVAGE, BILL O'REILLY!! Google them up. This is the garbage coming out of people's radios on their way to work (or anywhere else people listen to the radio) everyday. I have yet hear one political talk show on the radio that is not a GOP mouthpiece. Seriously, there is not one progressive talk station anywhere on the radio here in Tampa. Unless one is in liberal bastions like New York, the west coast, chicago; the GOP has a tight grip on political radio programs.

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Originally posted by Krypton This is what pisses me off about the whole situation... Here in Tampa on AM talk radio, every station is dominated almost 100% by Bush loving right winging hate machines who talk nothing else but islamofascism. Or how stupid the democrats are. Or that if you are against the war, you're against the country. Rush Limbaugh, Tom Livin, MICHAEL SAVAGE, BILL O'REILLY!! Google them up. This is the garbage coming out of people's radios on their way to work (or anywhere else people listen to the radio) everyday. I have yet hear one political talk show on the radio that is not a GOP mouthpiece. Seriously, there is not one progressive talk station anywhere on the radio here in Tampa. Unless one is in liberal bastions like New York, the west coast, chicago; the GOP has a tight grip on political radio programs.

No thanks to brother Jeb, I'm sure

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Originally posted by Krypton This is what pisses me off about the whole situation... Here in Tampa on AM talk radio, every station is dominated almost 100% by Bush loving right winging hate machines who talk nothing else but islamofascism. Or how stupid the democrats are. Or that if you are against the war, you're against the country. Rush Limbaugh, Tom Livin, MICHAEL SAVAGE, BILL O'REILLY!! Google them up. This is the garbage coming out of people's radios on their way to work (or anywhere else people listen to the radio) everyday. I have yet hear one political talk show on the radio that is not a GOP mouthpiece. Seriously, there is not one progressive talk station anywhere on the radio here in Tampa. Unless one is in liberal bastions like New York, the west coast, chicago; the GOP has a tight grip on political radio programs.

i think its time you moved to australia mate. our press loves nothing more than to put the boot into any and all politicians! you still have your conservative radio of course (make my blood boil!) but some of our most famous "demons at drive time" have been charged and convicted for things they have done in reference to their radio mis-steps.

and the only media that deals (properly) with political issues in this country are examples of journalism at its best. they crucify both sides of politics, and its great!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i think its time you moved to australia mate. our press loves nothing more than to put the boot into any and all politicians! you still have your conservative radio of course (make my blood boil!) but some of our most famous "demons at drive time" have been charged and convicted for things they have done in reference to their radio mis-steps. and the only media that deals (properly) with political issues in this country are examples of journalism at its best. they crucify both sides of politics, and its great!

Hah, become an Aussie ay? Australia is on my list of places to see, don't worry about that!


I'm thinking in the future, when I start my Wall Street career, I won't be tied down to one city or a single country.

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Originally posted by Krypton when I start my Wall Street career, I won't be tied down to one city or a single country.

hahahaha.

man i'd love it if you made it big on wall street, and then started discovering posts on blogs and messageboards about how you run the government/economy and you have evil plans for the rest of us. make me laugh my head off it would

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