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That was the whole fucking point of hip hop you moron.
Expression without having to be able to play a traditional instrument, by using the limited tools available.
A used/stolen/bought-on-layaway sampler/drum machine and collecting samples from your parents soul and funk LP collection.
Or rapping over a break in someone elses record, by simply getting two copies of the same track, then getting the groove and loop going by manually playing the same loop again and again by cutting back and forth.
A lot of dance (hell ANY style) producers could learn a hell of a lot from the working methods of hip hop and rap.... shit like using the very limited technology to its fullest, finding new ways to use it and break the 'rules', instead of posting 'where can i get a sample cd with 1,000,000 trance/dance/whatever sounds' or 'how do i sidechain'.
How many of you would think to sample individual drum sounds or a break at 45rpm+8% then pitching them down, in order to save precious sample memory, and also changing the character of the sound? Essential when you have a whopping 750kB of sample memory in your s950/mpc60/sp1200...
Or how about engineering ahead of time so you leave room for instruments, and more importantly vocals?
Leaving breaks in the track because you know Djs and producers need them?
Listen to how they make room for such a huge kick drum, bass AND sub all in the bottom end of a track wothout clouding it... that alone is worth investigating.
Yeah there is some real simple, hip hop by numbers shit infesting the charts- but that doesnt mean the whole genre is wank. Far from it.
Sorry for the rant- but closed minded BULLSHIT ignorant statements really make my piss boil  (and apologies if the original post was tongue in cheek...it didnt come across that way)
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