So I produced a track (the first one at: http://www.myspace.com/indianapolisnighttimeskies) and it hits the chours and my friend thinks it's a bit flat. I know the example is outside of Trance, but when Kelly Clarkson hits the chours of Since U Been Gone, the whole thing explodes, yet the volume stays the same - what do they actually do here? Is it just more instruments to give impact? More drums? The drums on my track are particularly weak anyway, not sure what happened there either. All advice welcome.

Cray

dynamics dynamics dynamics.

Parametric EQ: 2 dB boost around 150Hz.
add large room, smooth reverb, decay two seconds.
COMPRESS.
switch around the volumes in your mixer as well.

good luck!

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Thank you. As it turns out,a college about half a mile up the road is starting a course on music technology and sound production. I might get a handle on dynamics yet...

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Originally posted by CrayC Kelly Clarkson - Since U Been Gone

hahahahah

is that you signing on the myspace page or a friend?. very nice voice !!.

>>is that you signing on the myspace page or a friend?. very nice voice !!.

That is the extremely talented Katty Heath. Check out her version of Sweet Child Of Mine at: http://www.myspace.com/kattyheathmusic

Cray

Don´t laugh, this music has the best production availiable. Same with Nickleback that stuff is sick.

The secret is doubling. They just record the guitar 3-4 times for the chorus, thats what makes it so fat.

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Originally posted by Nightshift dynamics dynamics dynamics.

Cray's post implies the dynamics stay virtually the same... He said the overal volume stays the same...

I'd go with Johnny Cache here.

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Last edited by Storyteller on Feb-15-2008 at 09:19

>>Cray's post implies the dynamics stay virtually the same... He said the overal volume stays the same...

It does seem to. There's certainly no big shift in volume. I guess they're compressing all the doubled up guitars?

Well, overall, I always encountered slight compression on guitars, just doing some 3 dBs or something.

The Main Effect is done by recording the different guitars using different sounds, eqing them to fill some spot in the frequency range...
Pretty much the same approach as with layered sounds and midbasses in trance.

You also do that on vocals a lot, doubling, them in a certain way.
Some producers even trigger the recorded drums to midi samples and mix them into the production aswell...

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its not that you lack oomph. your track lacks spark purely because of your source sounds. it sounds like you are useing a single hardware workstation as your sound source? have a look on the stickies at the top of the thread list on this forum. (the advise threads stick up the top of the list). there will be a list of free vst synths like the 'synth 1'. this will be really helpful to you if you dont already have it. some really good sounds can be made with it. and its presets are rather good for a pop sound you are going for.

it also sounds like you are using the same rever and delay settings for each and every part of your track. you should try and vary the efx. keep some percussions dry. while adding delay to other parts to add contrast. then you get a epic reverb/delayd sound on the parts that need to be, and you get the paower and cleanness of a dry snare for example.

overall your production and mixing is good. it is just that things like your vocals need lots more brightness in the 800-2000hz area. work with eq more

good luck

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