F%#k all politicians. They all lie a lot of the time, one way or another. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama ends up losing the presidential battle anyway or ruining the American empire. Reading beautifully written scripts is only part of the battle. It doesnt make Obama a "Change We Can Believe In", other than maybe a change that can once and for all cripple the American empire. Who knows. As far as I can tell, these US elections have the WORST EVER candidates that I can recall since I started following politics.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium F%#k all politicians. They all lie a lot of the time, one way or another. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama ends up losing the presidential battle anyway or ruining the American empire. Reading beautifully written scripts is only part of the battle. It doesnt make Obama a "Change We Can Believe In", other than maybe a change that can once and for all cripple the American empire. Who knows. As far as I can tell, these US elections have the WORST EVER candidates that I can recall since I started following politics.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium F%#k all politicians. They all lie a lot of the time, one way or another. I wouldn't be surprised if Obama ends up losing the presidential battle anyway or ruining the American empire. Reading beautifully written scripts is only part of the battle. It doesnt make Obama a "Change We Can Believe In", other than maybe a change that can once and for all cripple the American empire. Who knows. As far as I can tell, these US elections have the WORST EVER candidates that I can recall since I started following politics.

You can't be serious? First of all, Obama wrote those "scripts" that you refer to - they aren't somebody else's ideas, they are his own. Second of all... I'd take Hillary and John McCain over Kerry and Bush any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

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Well it's not like he's in the NRA's back pocket either if they're rating him an, "F".

I do have to admit though, even though I lean to the right, I do like Obama other than some waffling on some points such as this.

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it would be a nice "change" to see him take a position on this. of all things, i think americans want to see politicians not playing both sides of an issue.

perhaps they have numbers on this issue, but i would think the people who care about an 'individual' right to guns are the same people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. i could be wrong.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 it would be a nice "change" to see him take a position on this. of all things, i think americans want to see politicians not playing both sides of an issue. perhaps they have numbers on this issue, but i would think the people who care about an 'individual' right to guns are the same people who wouldn't vote for him anyway. i could be wrong.

You are wrong. Far more than would vote for Hillary. I actually know quite a few people who support him and either own or support the right to own firearms.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy You are wrong. Far more than would vote for Hillary. I actually know quite a few people who support him and either own or support the right to own firearms.

while i can definitely appreciate that anecdotal evidence, i would like to know what a larger sample shows. i really have no idea, i'm curious. i thought those people would vote mccain anyway (it wasn't a hillary v obama issue for me).

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Originally posted by Lebezniatnikov First of all, Obama wrote those "scripts" that you refer to - they aren't somebody else's ideas, they are his own.

There are bloody threads on this friggin forum which describe in detail certain individuals who write these beautiful scripts for Obama and the like ... no need to be so silly. I am sure he adds a sentence or two, and tweeks a word or two here or there, but the core material is prepared FOR him. Heck, you should know that all important politicians have people employed who write scripts for them for Christ's sake.

Yes, Obama can and does write some of his speeches. Thats what pretty much many politicians are capable of doing from time to time. But then again, most politicians write books, stories and articles or whatever the combination as well - but they still have people who write speeches for them, its only a question for which politicians use these services more or less than others.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium There are bloody threads on this friggin forum which describe in detail certain individuals who write these beautiful scripts for Obama and the like ... no need to be so silly. I am sure he adds a sentence or two, and tweeks a word or two here or there, but the core material is prepared FOR him. Heck, you should know that all important politicians have people employed who write scripts for them for Christ's sake. Yes, Obama can and does write some of his speeches. Thats what pretty much many politicians are capable of doing from time to time. But then again, most politicians write books, stories and articles or whatever the combination as well - but they still have people who write speeches for them, its only a question for which politicians use these services more or less than others.

So who are his scribes then?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r So who are his scribes then?

After spending 2.345 seconds on google, I was able to find this interesting article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7031701306.html

Which Candidate's Speechwriter Will Be the Next Michael Gerson?

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Speechwriters are the most exotic of political staffers. Half artist, half operative, they toil almost entirely anonymously in a presidential campaign. But their mission -- crafting the words the candidate speaks -- is critical to a campaign's success. Michael Gerson, who was President Bush's lead speechwriter from 1999 until mid-2006, redefined the role, becoming not just the president's wordsmith but also one of his most trusted advisers. He has been alternately described as the architect of Bush's "compassionate conservative" governing philosophy and as the most influential speechwriter since Ted Sorenson, who plied his trade on behalf of President John F. Kennedy. While every 2008 presidential campaign insists that its candidate is intimately involved in crafting his or her speeches, the reality is that each will come to depend on a single individual who can seamlessly express the candidate's vision for the country in words. Here's a look at a few of the individuals with that responsibility: ? Brett O'Donnell. Before signing on with Sen. John McCain's (R-Ariz.) presidential bid, O'Donnell was the director of debate at Liberty University for 14 years. In 2004, O'Donnell was involved in prepping Bush for his debates against Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). He served in the same role for former Virginia attorney general Jerry Kilgore (R) in the 2005 gubernatorial race, which Kilgore lost. ? Jon Favreau. No, the man charged with writing speeches for Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) is not the actor who played the lovelorn Mike Peters in the movie "Swingers." This Jon Favreau worked a stint as a telemarketer in high school, graduated from the College of the Holy Cross and served as a speechwriter for Kerry in 2004. He signed on to Obama's team after that election and was the architect of Obama's teasing "announcement" during an appearance in December on "Monday Night Football." ? Matt Rees. Rees has written speeches for nearly every Bush administration official of note, including the president. Now he is charged with finding the right words for former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney (R). The campaign is careful to note that its candidate -- an English major at Brigham Young University -- plays an active role in his own speechwriting. PLAYERS Sen. Chris Dodd (Conn.) rarely rises above 1 or 2 percent in national polls relating to the 2008 Democratic field. But his speech last week to the International Association of Fire Fighters received rave reviews, and early word is that his first-quarter fundraising is surprisingly strong. That mini-momentum is seen in staff hires as well; Dodd has added three operatives who have deep campaign experience to his team in recent days. Taylor West will serve as the campaign's Iowa press secretary, fresh off a stint in the same role for Iowa Gov. Chet Culver. Hari Sevugan, who served as spokesman for Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley (D) in 2006, has also joined Dodd's press shop. Scott Arceneaux will be the campaign's national political director. Arceneaux managed Judy Feder's unsuccessful campaign in Virginia's 10th District last year and has previously worked in Louisiana and Maryland.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium After spending 2.345 seconds on google, I was able to find this interesting article: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...7031701306.html Which Candidate's Speechwriter Will Be the Next Michael Gerson?

Wow, it took you 2.345 seconds to sift through all the results and find this one interesting article?

Thats some watch you have...

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