does anybody know any good theory for trance basslines. i know there was a thread about this but i cant find it. can anyone link it to me or at least give me some ideas?

there are many styles to trance. a goa/psy trance bassline is A LOT different than something as say above & beyond would do. what style? oh and by the way, basslines with no "theory" behind them, yet still work well in the song are the best basslines. all to often you hear the same bassline over and over again in so many songs.

Yea, basslines can be very similar in terms of notes. After all, they rarely lead in a trance track.

Then at other times tracks with very similar leads and synths have completely different sounding basslines.

It's a very general question and hard to help with.

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Originally posted by costizzle does anybody know any good theory for trance basslines. i know there was a thread about this but i cant find it. can anyone link it to me or at least give me some ideas?

One word of advice: layering. Layering is the essence of most trance basslines, but keep in mind, that is most, not all.

Layering is excellent!

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gate it manually in volume automation to get instant crazy bassline!!

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start with an off beat sub poss a sin wav , sidechain it to your kick drum, fire a compressor on it. layer it if need be with anoteher sound, from there add notes as you go to see what sounds good, lengthen your notes and throw an arp on them - there are so many options available - there is no typical trance bass, it's what goes on with the bass that makes it trance

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i have 3 basses.

first one covering the low end is an off beat sine wave. i use audio realism for this.

second one is a mid range bassline usually arped then high passed and low passed and certain points. v station for this.

third one is for the high end usually not arped but it changes with every track i do. vanguard for this.

thats how mine work although id say others will be far different.

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thanks for the replys. im using fl studio 7 right now, idk what my sidechaining options are though. but how could you manually gate a bass. cause gated seems to give me a good sound techy sound that i want.

make a bassline that you think sounds good. if you cant do this then keep working until you can. any advise here will lead you along a path that is aleady overdone and boring. experiment, experiment, experiment.

Hi costizzle,

I'm also learning how to make kick + bass high pressure sounding!

Here some bass example from me:

Horse Power

* This is a club floor bass using Vengeance Samples and sidechain.
Just play a trancy basic bassline xXx xXx xXx and the bass low tail of the kick will affect in the first bass notes of every sequence xXx do not interfering in they low frequences.

Also the bass has a little of high passed delay and I've compressed the Kick + Bass together in a buss.

Never use reverb in Kick and Bass. In rare instances you can use it (in Bass) very compressed for a Benassi style for example.

I tune every sample (including the kick) using my ears and the fine tune knob.

Also the Vengeance Sample CDs have the most high pressure samples for productions and is a must have for kick and bass.

!Vengeance Samples are already compresed fo maximum pressure without significant loss of dynamics, so if you recompress they again you will loose a lot of dynamics! Only compress the kick + bass buss and at mastering.

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Also you can do some Layered basses using a high centered low bass and 1 or 2 more basses in the mix. Low bass + medium or high bass with delay.. This is the most trancy bassline.

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You can do some cool things with the pencil tool (I'm talking about audio and I'm not gay) Use it to gate in volume automation makig some cool drawings and copying it and pasting after a sequence is defined.. I think this is the case you get more techy..

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These techniques are what I learned at this moment.

Correct me someone if I'm wrong im some example and sorry my basic english.

tks

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Last edited by cristianokeller on Nov-08-2007 at 06:52

There are various "typical" trance basslines.

x---x---x---x---..........Kick
xx-x-x-xxx-x-x-x..........Bassline

There is also the
"running bassline"

X---X---X---X--- Kick
xxXxxxXxxxXxxxXx Small x= the octave youd normally use for a bass. Big X=one octave higher.

and
k---k---k---k---
-xXx-Xxx-xXx-xxX

Then u can variate by

xxXxXxXxxxXxXxXx or
xxXXxxXxxxXxXxXx etc etc etc

Another common one:
X---X---X---X--- Kick
--X--X----X--X-- Bass.

The gouryella Style Ferry one:
-xXx-xXx-xXx-xXx
-xxz-xxz-xxz-xxz Z being an octave lower than the little X

HTH