two woofers offer bass response benefits. personally i would prefer a single larger speaker instead of two smaller ones. the more drivers you have, the more phasing issues and directivity problems you will encounter.

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yeah but one large speaker is more prone to IM distortion, even more so if its a woofer sized, with no subwoofer. the phasing multiple speakers causes can make a pleasant sound and would probably get masked from the sound of the room. i just want monitors without the need for a sub.

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Originally posted by camsr yeah but one large speaker is more prone to IM distortion, even more so if its a woofer sized, with no subwoofer. the phasing multiple speakers causes can make a pleasant sound and would probably get masked from the sound of the room. i just want monitors without the need for a sub.

two woofers are more prone to distorsion as there is twice as many moving parts. a decent large monitor will provide more than adaquate lf response. its all about the quality of the components.

judging by the fact that you are looking at the mackie range(at the lower scale of things) and if your room is large enough to require lf output similar to if you were using a seperate subwoofer then you should maybe try moving into a smaller room. cheap range monitors with more cones wont make mixing your lows any easier. the only reason you could possibly need lf output similar to that provided by a subwoofer would be if your room is too big. single 6" cones will allow more than enough lf response when placed in the right sized room.

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the room i will be using is 24' x 11' x 8' so it's fairly large. its kinda like two bedrooms placed side by side with no wall between. but im going to setup the monitors in a 6' triangle most likely between 90 to 60 degrees. they will be about two feet away from the room corners front and side. i just think monitors with extended bass response is the way to go, then i wont have to find a sub.

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Originally posted by camsr i just think monitors with extended bass response is the way to go, then i wont have to find a sub.

i dont think you will be able to afford a big set of 3-ways, so a sub is your ONLY real option, other than going an 8" woofer and potentially sacrificing your mids. like rich said, these double woofer type monitors aren't really the best. you will get much better performance out of a good set of 5-6" monitors and a sub, because you have a stronger coverage of the frequency range. really deep bass in a 2-way monitor usually occurs at the expense of something else imo. it is unrealistic to expect a big woofer to match a tiny tweeter well.

also, the upside of having a sub is that you will usually get better control over the bottom end.

i used to use 6" woofers with 1.5" tweeters, mids were lacking so i added a small pair of surround satellite channels 2"x3" to compensate. it worked well. then i added a 10" subwoofer from a surround system and i could mix bass by ear. but it had its boominess on a few notes which made it lame.

damn i bet pro studios have like a bunch of different types of monitoring setups. that would be tha shiznit

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Originally posted by camsr i used to use 6" woofers with 1.5" tweeters, mids were lacking so i added a small pair of surround satellite channels 2"x3" to compensate.

this is bad! ican't even imagine how much phasing and stereo issues you would have had

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Originally posted by camsr then i added a 10" subwoofer from a surround system and i could mix bass by ear. but it had its boominess on a few notes which made it lame.

the boominess was most likely the accoustics of your room. this is the problem with having too much bass and why 6" monitors with no sub is usually best in an untreated room.

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Originally posted by echosystm also, the upside of having a sub is that you will usually get better control over the bottom end.

Serious!? I was gonna use my sub to mix my high end

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Originally posted by T-Soma Serious!? I was gonna use my sub to mix my high end

you boob.

subs have more comprehensive cutoff controls etc. so you can tune them to your room.

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Originally posted by echosystm this is bad! ican't even imagine how much phasing and stereo issues you would have had

not many considering i set the new speakers right on the side of the existing cabinets. it still all came from one "point".

my sub has no cutoff setting, only volume. and yeah it was room acoustics making it boom, i had it under a desk. the only way to center it

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Originally posted by camsr not many considering i set the new speakers right on the side of the existing cabinets. it still all came from one "point".

mate, putting your speakers on their side is enough to mess up the stereo image, so having a 2nd speaker next to it will kill it entirely.

likewise, speakers have a crossover network to ensure that two components (woofer/tweeter) aren't playing the same frequencies together (much). if they were, then you would get phasing. there was no crossover between your monitors and the other speakers, so you would have been in phase mania.

the above point is why these mtm designs are less than ideal. however, they are designed this way specifically... so it wont be as bad as what you were doing before with the second set of speakers. still not ideal though.