I'm writing a paper regarding intellectual property (copyright shit), and I wanted some feedback from fellow DJ's. How do you guys feel about recording a mix for promotional use and handing it out. Its technically illegal, but I feel we are just promoting the track/producer. I can kinda understand where the record industry is coming from too though. If they cant sell it they cant afford to pay the artist or producer. Any feedback will do

Thanks in advance,
Nick

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Me and you both

Well, as long as it's part of a mix that you did yourself, and as long as you bought the track from the artist, I feel just fine.

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I dont care.... I dont care if someone downloads tracks... i buy them. If i cant find it ill download it and use it.


About promos.... Ya i dont care either.

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Originally posted by Nbrablec9 I'm writing a paper regarding intellectual property (copyright shit), and I wanted some feedback from fellow DJ's. How do you guys feel about recording a mix for promotional use and handing it out. Its technically illegal, but I feel we are just promoting the track/producer. I can kinda understand where the record industry is coming from too though. If they cant sell it they cant afford to pay the artist or producer. Any feedback will do Thanks in advance, Nick

If you paper is on IP in general (not just music), I'd suggest checking out http://www.thetruecosts.org/portal/truecosts/default. IP is a way bigger issue than music and fake purses...

You can't really use the argument that it promotes the producer because if they wanted to be promoted without getting royalties, they'd just provide the track for free (which many do). You also can't use it because 1) it's a demo, not reaching a wide audience; and 2) you could use that argument for every ripped off track. "I was just promoting AvB's new release..."

I see where this is gray though. It's a demo, not for profit, duplicated in a limited way, and made difficult to rip off because it's mixed in and out of. Last but not least, with the tens of thousands of dj's making a new promo every week, it'd simply be impossible to buy rights to every track used.

As a rule of thumb, though, I pay for what I use.

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From medical devices and pharmaceuticals to toothpaste and DVDs the manufacture and sale of counterfeit and pirated products has a devastating impact on our economy, jobs, and consumer health and safety. Driven by organized criminal networks, this growing threat is assaulting the very core of the U.S. economy

i don't think recording sets is performed by organized crime

The Record Industry....and the EDM record industry are two different beasts.

The EDM industry does not care as much as the wider record industry. If anything most producers/labels enjoy your support by charting them and playing their music live, and putting the music in promo cd's. EDM industry isnt as greedy as the Major Lable's. EDM lables are too small to go after people for putting their music on a mix cd and handing out.

Personally I think its a good thing, it helps promote the artists and maybe has the listeners ask the question "damn who is this track by?", more than they would have if they never had that CD handed to them.

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Originally posted by ******** Copyright is evil but a world of limitation is one that spawns it. We all die some day, and that ain't necesarily bad when you realize that you get to leave a world of limitation corruption and inhumanity. The world ain't all bad - there is the good side and the bad side.. you can live focusing on the good - hell why not-- but it is a pain in the but.. money is fabricated - people need to live - some places have social support system.. artists may be getting support from the system.. yet normal people pay taxes to support them.. then we are expected to purchase their works.. meanwhile other places don't and they'd just be left on the streets. Personally I don't see myself ever selling my music if it ever gets to the level of it.. I'm an improverished person but I'm given my money by the government regardless without that I get to either escape this messed up reality or I end up insitutionalized in a jail or psych ward that would enrage me to the point of psychopathy - and refusal to cooperate peaceably then the torture starts there is really no other situation - life is prison.. I'll never ask money for something that is freely duplicable, much like I could never find withholding any unlimited or plentiful resource from people.. because making a market out of what is infinite or unbounded is a corrupt and evil practice. None the less I understand why it exists but I am not a copyright supporter and if I ever am kindly put a bullet in my head. Ignorance or contentment is there.. when it is.. enjoy it.. frankly I'm a very content person because life has been worse... and watching both the beauty and being dehumanized is a tiresome process. PS Many records say "for promotional use only" also called PROMO's. I have a radio show that I give out tracks to the public once weekly I see a recorded mix no differently although the law may Only if you don't have permission to use the tracks for promotional materials and they are restricted duplication. Personally I don't put out promotional material for myself, I'm a hobbiest, and have no aspirations to make a carear out of music. -------------- for those that do get rich off the music - then that is their biznitch. rich mofo's who are squeezing the balls of the ghetto - or the balls of some yung pump who cant even ho himself. people have different sitautions.. some just don't have money but still like to have media available - it is business but it is special .. but like any law saying I can't pick the apples on your tree cause ain't land for everyone... it is private society and capitalism.. it's the way of the world. (the whole thing is just spread the love.. systematics are numbing) -------------- much like the landless - how the heck are the landless to survive? people need to ho themselves to live or they come into confrontation.. it is just another form of slavery if there is nothing you really seek to do.. it is just part of the indoctrination within system. I personally really don't care - if people seek to deprive my equal liberty and force their rules on me without respecting my wishes there is no ethical context of mutual well being... that is just the way life goes for some I geuss.... the good the bad war has never been something I seek only what other people make by questioning my own judgement. life goes on, we all die someday and that ain't necesarily a bad thing just to clarify.. death ain't logical only biological if you beleive in science over self divinity.

what are you smoking??

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Originally posted by ******** Copyright is evil but a world of limitation is one that spawns it. We all die some day, and that ain't necesarily bad when you realize that you get to leave a world of limitation corruption and inhumanity.

Classic start to yet another post of utter drivel.

I'm not quite sure if you're saying we should top ourselves because people pirate MP3s, or because people copyright them in the first place... but either way, 10 points.


Much Lols.

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Originally posted by ******** Copyright is evil

The first thing in which we share the same opinion, from what I've read that is.. I think.

But seeing that it's you who wrote it, you're probably just seeing tall green, dressed well men with a "Copyright" text on their faces, coming after you dancing wildly and of course they're swinging an invisible axe.

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Originally posted by Ghost Raver The first thing in which we share the same opinion, from what I've read that is.. I think.

I think it's just such a hard thing to balance right - if you wrote a tune, you wouldn't be happy about someone taking it and releasing it under a different name, and that's something that's protected by copyright as well.

The reason people don't like demos being made and distributed is because it competes with compilations... if people can hear all of the tunes a label's putting out on demo mixes, then they've got no reason to go and buy a compilation with tracks from that label on it. And it's true, I never buy compilations anymore because I've got a wealth of demos on the net to listen to for free.


Selling singles isn't as much of an issue, because DJs account for the vast majority of underground dance music single sales and they all want full versions.

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